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2015-08-01 10:24:57< DRLong> hey guys, i still can't figure out where to place ices-playlist.xml
2015-08-01 10:25:12< DRLong> currently its located in /examples
2015-08-01 10:25:34< DRLong> do i move it to /etc
2015-08-01 10:26:32< edoardo> DRLong: you put it where you want, as soon as you refer to it when you launch ices
2015-08-01 10:27:36< DRLong> do i need to tell it where icecast is located?
2015-08-01 10:29:52< edoardo> DRLong: ices2 is a standalone program
2015-08-01 10:30:37< DRLong> got it, i get this error when i start ices
2015-08-01 10:30:57< DRLong> unable to open log /var/log/ices/ices.log
2015-08-01 10:31:11< DRLong> i think i can figure this out though
2015-08-01 10:31:23< edoardo> set the log file to stdout or put it in your home (or a writable folder)
2015-08-01 10:31:43< DRLong> awesome, thanks
2015-08-01 10:35:46< DRLong> it worked, yeah
2015-08-01 10:43:49< DRLong> does all the music need to be located on the server running iceast?
2015-08-01 10:44:33< DRLong> and, can ices2 stream http://stream-tx1.radioparadise.com
2015-08-01 10:44:35< edoardo> DRLong: you can use remote files iirc, like http://server.com/blabla.flac
2015-08-01 10:44:44< edoardo> or you can just run ices2 on another machine
2015-08-01 10:44:55< edoardo> ices != icecast
2015-08-01 10:45:05< edoardo> ices is a source for icecast, icecast is a server
2015-08-01 10:45:08< ph3-der-loewe> ... or just use remote mounts ;)
2015-08-01 10:45:26< ph3-der-loewe> (hint: sshfs ;)
2015-08-01 10:45:39< edoardo> ph3-der-loewe: oh dear :D
2015-08-01 10:45:51< DRLong> freakin' awesome
2015-08-01 10:46:00< edoardo> DRLong: you can setup a relay to repeat any stream you want
2015-08-01 10:46:17< edoardo> http://icecast.org/docs/icecast-2.4.1/relaying.html
2015-08-01 10:46:27< DRLong> i have been trying to get this to work for days
2015-08-01 10:46:47< DRLong> i have spent at least 6 hours and still can't stream a darn thing
2015-08-01 10:47:01< DRLong> and i'm no dummy (so i say)
2015-08-01 10:47:57< DRLong> this is what i have so far ... icecast up and running, ices2 up and running
2015-08-01 10:48:11< DRLong> is the next step to set up a playlist
2015-08-01 10:48:34< DRLong> maybe I am a dummy:0
2015-08-01 10:59:00< edoardo> DRLong: what do you want to do?
2015-08-01 10:59:10< edoardo> set up a playlist?
2015-08-01 10:59:34< edoardo> use ezstream or liquidsoap to get streaming in minutes
2015-08-01 11:00:07< edoardo> set the playlist as fallback, and you'll be able to automatically switch users between live and playlist
2015-08-01 11:02:58< DRLong> edoardo, i will have to check if those packages are available for openbsd
2015-08-01 11:03:42< edoardo> they should be
2015-08-01 11:04:05< DRLong> searching now
2015-08-01 11:04:36< DRLong> yes, ezstream is available
2015-08-01 11:04:47< DRLong> which do you favor?
2015-08-01 11:05:07< edoardo> yes
2015-08-01 11:05:30< edoardo> wait a minute, i'm gonna reboot
2015-08-01 11:05:32< edoardo> i'll be back
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2015-08-01 11:09:25< edoardo> DRLong: 
2015-08-01 11:09:27< edoardo> Hello?
2015-08-01 11:10:03< ph3-der-loewe> mau.
2015-08-01 11:10:23< edoardo> woof
2015-08-01 11:12:34< edoardo> damn, something happened and random software got uninstalled from my debian machine
2015-08-01 11:18:16< DRLong> that is really odd!
2015-08-01 11:18:28< DRLong> never heard of that before
2015-08-01 11:18:44< edoardo> probably some dependences i didn't check that made some software uninstall
2015-08-01 11:18:45< DRLong> are most of you linux or windows users
2015-08-01 11:18:54< edoardo> mixxx, idjc and jack disappeared for example
2015-08-01 11:19:00< edoardo> linux
2015-08-01 11:19:09< DRLong> cool
2015-08-01 11:19:55< DRLong> often i get (much appreciated) advice from windows users but it doesn't normally apply 
2015-08-01 11:20:56< DRLong> so edoardo, i installed ezstream. i just need to edit the xml file to have start streaming to icescast, correct?
2015-08-01 11:21:25< edoardo> DRLong: there are a couple of examples in /etc/ezstream/examples iirc
2015-08-01 11:23:10< DRLong> yeah, there are a lot of examples
2015-08-01 11:23:28< edoardo> there is one that plays mp3s from a playlist
2015-08-01 11:23:54< DRLong> i think i want to use vorbis.xml
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2015-08-01 13:23:05< funkenstrahlen> hey, I try to start icecast via sudo service icecast2 start, however I get WARNING: Can't change user id unless you are root.  
2015-08-01 13:23:18< funkenstrahlen> why does this not work via sudo?
2015-08-01 13:24:56< funkenstrahlen> even more interesting: 29048 icecast2   20   0  299M  2860  1880 S  0.0  0.1  0:00.04 /usr/bin/icecast2 -b -c /etc/icecast2/icecast.xml 
2015-08-01 13:25:09< funkenstrahlen> htop shows the service is running with icecast2 user
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2015-08-01 14:14:50< ePirat> hi funkenstrahlen 
2015-08-01 14:15:14< ePirat> funkenstrahlen I guess that something is wrong with the service starting icecast. 
2015-08-01 14:16:01< ePirat> probably you have both, the service change user and the icecast change user enabled 
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2015-08-01 17:03:20< DRLong> hello
2015-08-01 17:04:05< DRLong> i got icecast working with mod and ncmpc and am able to access it from my windows maching but the sound is all distorted.
2015-08-01 17:04:08< DRLong> any ideas
2015-08-01 17:04:27< DRLong> i am using openbsd 5.7 not that that matters but it may
2015-08-01 17:04:50< ph3-der-loewe> what is ncmpc?
2015-08-01 17:05:05< DRLong> its a source client for mpd
2015-08-01 17:05:29< DRLong> command line driven and extremely flexible
2015-08-01 17:14:15< ph3-der-loewe> hm, ok.
2015-08-01 17:26:46< DRLong> do i add the addional mount points to mpd.conf or icecast.xml
2015-08-01 17:27:16< DRLong> not sure if i should change the default mount /mpd.ogg
2015-08-01 17:27:29< ph3-der-loewe> normally you do not need to configure mouch about mount points on icecast's side.
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2015-08-01 17:28:54< DRLong> ph3-der-loewe - currently i am streaming a mp3 but want to be to also choose music stored on the server as well
2015-08-01 17:29:18< DRLong> this is fairly easy i'm sure once i get the hang of all the syntax
2015-08-01 17:30:13< ph3-der-loewe> but sounds more like something related to your source client -- mpd -- than to icecast.
2015-08-01 17:31:07< DRLong> ok, i will investigate adding additional directories within mpd
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2015-08-01 18:03:38< DRLong> does anyone here use ncmpc?
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2015-08-01 19:18:13< funkenstrahlen> hey ePirat :)
2015-08-01 19:18:19< ePirat> hi
2015-08-01 19:18:51< funkenstrahlen> I have enabled the icecast change user. I don't know about service change user. Where can I find this setting?
2015-08-01 19:21:16< ePirat> funkenstrahlen, if you are using systemd in the systemd service file or else in the init.d script
2015-08-01 19:23:18< ePirat> anternatively just comment out the change user in the icecast config 
2015-08-01 19:23:20< funkenstrahlen> ePirat: found it in the init.d script. 
2015-08-01 19:23:44< funkenstrahlen> is the warning a real problem?
2015-08-01 19:23:58< ePirat> you should fix it.
2015-08-01 19:24:08< funkenstrahlen> now as I know why it appears, I could simply ignore it :)
2015-08-01 19:24:23< ePirat> now as you know what causes it, why not fix it?
2015-08-01 19:25:13< ePirat> just don't use the change user stuff in the icecast config.
2015-08-01 19:27:00< funkenstrahlen> ePirat: Can I simply comment out the whole <security> part at the end of the config?
2015-08-01 19:27:44< ePirat> yes
2015-08-01 19:27:49< funkenstrahlen> ok thanks
2015-08-01 19:28:08< funkenstrahlen> I am currently working on a "podcasting server" ansible project
2015-08-01 19:28:40< funkenstrahlen> mumble, icecast, ftp, wordpress (todo)
2015-08-01 19:28:56< ePirat> ah ok
2015-08-01 19:29:50< ePirat> if you need any further help with icecast, just ask :)
2015-08-01 19:31:51< funkenstrahlen> ePirat: I will! thanks :)
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2015-08-01 21:10:58< DRLong> guys, where do i place the ices-playlist.xml file so ices reads from it
2015-08-01 21:11:20< DRLong> way to many beers this early in day :)
2015-08-01 21:11:47< DRLong> someone said free like beer so i thought the beer was free
2015-08-01 21:13:14< DRLong> the only entry i can find in ices2.xml us under input
2015-08-01 21:22:21< ph3-der-loewe> you can pass the config file using the -c command line option.
2015-08-01 21:24:48< DRLong> thanks 
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2015-08-01 23:25:31< ph3-der-loewe> *implementing hashing algo framework*
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2015-08-02 00:23:41< ph3-der-loewe> that's depressing
2015-08-02 00:24:05< ph3-der-loewe> my SHA1 implementation calculates a wrong result for strings with length > 0
2015-08-02 00:24:05< ph3-der-loewe> ;)
2015-08-02 00:24:45< theotheredbacon> are you working on icecast3?
2015-08-02 00:25:11< theotheredbacon> not sure who you are, but you seem to be from my reading up :)
2015-08-02 00:25:13< ph3-der-loewe> kind of.
2015-08-02 00:25:23< theotheredbacon> if so, is there a wishlist?
2015-08-02 00:25:49< ph3-der-loewe> my 'icecast3' work is to work on a prototype, kind of a conceptional preview.
2015-08-02 00:25:53< theotheredbacon> I don't know enough to help with coding sorry, but can test
2015-08-02 00:25:55< theotheredbacon> ah ok
2015-08-02 00:25:57< ph3-der-loewe> it's not actual work on new icecast version.
2015-08-02 00:26:17< ph3-der-loewe> if you have any specific requests: open a ticket :)
2015-08-02 00:26:24< ph3-der-loewe> the ticket system is the wishlist basically.
2015-08-02 00:27:35< ph3-der-loewe> ah, I think I spotted the error.
2015-08-02 00:28:01< theotheredbacon> icecast.org suggests the mailing list http://icecast.org/contact/#mailing-list
2015-08-02 00:28:33< theotheredbacon> "If you thing that a feature should be added to Icecast, you can submit us feature requests by sending them to the icecast mailinglist (subscribe first). Please make sure that your feature is of general nature and not something that only you might need."
2015-08-02 00:28:33< ph3-der-loewe> ok, now I got a new result. still the wrong one *g*
2015-08-02 00:28:52< theotheredbacon> sorry, you're busy and my request is not at all urgent, please carry on :)
2015-08-02 00:29:08< ph3-der-loewe> theotheredbacon: that works as well. the list is more for discussion. the bug ticket system (trac.xiph.org) is more for already discussed stuff.
2015-08-02 00:29:33< ph3-der-loewe> so if it's specific already just open a ticket. If it's more like a general idea you want to have some feedback go for the list.
2015-08-02 00:29:39< theotheredbacon> ph3-der-loewe: thanks - I'll have a look, and please get back to what you wre doing rather than wasting time with me :)
2015-08-02 00:29:50< ph3-der-loewe> don't worry.
2015-08-02 00:30:20< theotheredbacon> it's a specific way of falling back, so I'll work out a way to describe it succinctly 
2015-08-02 00:30:29< ph3-der-loewe> as the problem is something diffrent I'm now back no idea what is wrong -> no idea how to fix it ;)
2015-08-02 00:31:10 * ph3-der-loewe nods.
2015-08-02 00:31:19< ph3-der-loewe> sounds like it's better to report it before icecast3 ;)
2015-08-02 00:31:27< ph3-der-loewe> I'm going to change all that.
2015-08-02 00:31:47< ph3-der-loewe> BUT: icecast3 is not to be relevant to users befor at least end of 2017.
2015-08-02 00:32:19< ph3-der-loewe> I expect at least 5 more years of icecast2 support. so don't worry too much :)
2015-08-02 00:33:14< theotheredbacon> I'm more than happy to test new stuff - we're moving to self-hosted icecast2 from tune in
2015-08-02 00:34:51< theotheredbacon> Please let me know if there's anything I can help with - icecast2 got me out of trouble nicely this year so want to give back :)
2015-08-02 00:36:41< ph3-der-loewe> ha, it's working! :)
2015-08-02 00:37:03< theotheredbacon> Woohoo!
2015-08-02 00:38:36< ph3-der-loewe> in the finalize step SHA1 writes the amount of data bits at the end of final block.
2015-08-02 00:38:45< ph3-der-loewe> I wrote it to the wrong offset ;)
2015-08-02 00:39:04< theotheredbacon> crypto is hard...
2015-08-02 00:39:14< ph3-der-loewe> and as long as you write zeros into a buffer full of zeros that's working even if it's at the wrong offset ;)
2015-08-02 00:39:28< ph3-der-loewe> so the empty string test vector worked.
2015-08-02 00:40:55< ph3-der-loewe> theotheredbacon: oh, it's not that hard. But you need to be really careful.
2015-08-02 00:41:12< theotheredbacon> I only know perl and php - no C
2015-08-02 00:41:25< ph3-der-loewe> but on the other paw: most developers get the very basic tasks wrong. So often it's not the crypto code with the actual security problems ;)
2015-08-02 00:41:31< theotheredbacon> been doing perl for 20 years though
2015-08-02 00:41:50< ph3-der-loewe> oh, perl is very nice. :)
2015-08-02 00:42:33< theotheredbacon> I'm more networky/sysadmin than coding - I leave that to the experts :)
2015-08-02 00:42:47< ph3-der-loewe> jup.
2015-08-02 00:42:55< ph3-der-loewe> that's a very important job.
2015-08-02 00:43:05< theotheredbacon> well, these days I'm more radio DJ/live sound, but that's tangential
2015-08-02 00:43:29< ph3-der-loewe> when I installed the OS on this new laptop... you can ask neko and stephan48. I had lot's of system administration questions.
2015-08-02 00:43:44< theotheredbacon> which OS?
2015-08-02 00:43:55< theotheredbacon> I feel no need to ask others about your skills, sir
2015-08-02 00:43:57< ph3-der-loewe> it's a debian mixed stuff.
2015-08-02 00:44:09< theotheredbacon> you obviously know your shit
2015-08-02 00:44:47< ph3-der-loewe> I think it's a squeeze with wheezy backports and a lenny kernel.
2015-08-02 00:44:55< ph3-der-loewe> something like that.
2015-08-02 00:44:57< theotheredbacon> left IT a few years ago to do more audio work - more fun and less "phone under the pillow waiting for it to beep at 3am"
2015-08-02 00:45:21< ph3-der-loewe> oh, yes. This is why I never want to be in production.
2015-08-02 00:46:15< ph3-der-loewe> nobody is calling you at 3AM that you have not yet commited this little update changing the welcome message of the program from 'Hi!' to 'Hello.' ;)
2015-08-02 00:46:19< theotheredbacon> Used to love the stress, now I have less stress and love it more, although I'd always prefer seat-of-the-pants mixing live to recording and fiddling with the same 5s of vocals for an hour
2015-08-02 00:46:26< theotheredbacon> heh, aye!
2015-08-02 00:46:49 * ph3-der-loewe nods.
2015-08-02 00:46:59< theotheredbacon> what's your day job?
2015-08-02 00:47:30< theotheredbacon> ...if you don't mind me asking
2015-08-02 00:47:46< ph3-der-loewe> at last Fellig (a little event) I found a bit of time and were actually DJ for the dance for a hour or something.
2015-08-02 00:47:54< ph3-der-loewe> using mixxx with a nice DJ console.
2015-08-02 00:48:03< ph3-der-loewe> doing that for the first time. was fun.
2015-08-02 00:48:09< theotheredbacon> ah yes, used mixxx and got very confused when it took over the whole soundcard
2015-08-02 00:48:19< theotheredbacon> usually use SAM Broadcaster
2015-08-02 00:48:28< ph3-der-loewe> I have no idea what it does in background.
2015-08-02 00:49:10< theotheredbacon> well, I had our internet radio playing in another window and it all died, so I panicked a bit :)
2015-08-02 00:49:21< theotheredbacon> then worked out what was going on
2015-08-02 00:49:29< ph3-der-loewe> It was more like: here sit down. This is the console. Everything is labled. Locu is playing her last track. Your turn in... 20... 10... 5... 3...2...1...0.
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2015-08-02 00:49:32< ph3-der-loewe> ;)
2015-08-02 00:49:37< theotheredbacon> hehehehe
2015-08-02 00:49:41< theotheredbacon> no time to prep then
2015-08-02 00:49:47< ph3-der-loewe> no time to care how all teh stuff worked.
2015-08-02 00:50:01< theotheredbacon> so just play moloko until you can sort yourself out?
2015-08-02 00:50:38< ph3-der-loewe> I know mixxx a bit from the inside. that helped a lot ;)
2015-08-02 00:51:08< theotheredbacon> I'll stick with SAM - it's a bit shitty but works for me, even under WINE
2015-08-02 00:51:15< ph3-der-loewe> the hardest task was to find something to play. I knew non of the titles in the library.
2015-08-02 00:51:21< theotheredbacon> plus we have a large number of licences for it
2015-08-02 00:51:26< theotheredbacon> ah
2015-08-02 00:51:50< theotheredbacon> well, I always grab a few CDs and import them for my show, but last minute?  ouch
2015-08-02 00:52:14< ph3-der-loewe> but it worked out well somehow. At 5AM we informed the last one on the dance floor that we're goingto stop as we need to get up in less than four hours ;)
2015-08-02 00:52:15< theotheredbacon> how did it go?
2015-08-02 00:52:29< theotheredbacon> sounds like you nailed it
2015-08-02 00:52:55< ph3-der-loewe> this year I will bring a few titles with me and ask them to import them.
2015-08-02 00:53:01< theotheredbacon> aye
2015-08-02 00:53:09< theotheredbacon> play stuff you know if you have warning
2015-08-02 00:53:14< ph3-der-loewe> also it's not my job to be DJ. so I can always say 'someone else please!'
2015-08-02 00:53:19< theotheredbacon> heh
2015-08-02 00:53:36< ph3-der-loewe> it's a relaxed event. so no problem.
2015-08-02 00:53:47< theotheredbacon> I'm usually the bloke running the live sound desk, so I request (demand) interval music etc
2015-08-02 00:54:15< ph3-der-loewe> I think my biggest mistake was as I once moved the pitch fader without intention. It jumped by about 20bpm.
2015-08-02 00:54:25< theotheredbacon> and yes, I will need your fucking iPad unlock code, it's not a fucking nuclear release code and I will write it on my hand
2015-08-02 00:54:28< ph3-der-loewe> but for some reason the dancers adjusted like nothing happened.
2015-08-02 00:54:41< theotheredbacon> ah, a pro DJ
2015-08-02 00:55:02< theotheredbacon> I can't do that stuff with beat matching at all
2015-08-02 00:55:07< theotheredbacon> and have no interest in it
2015-08-02 00:55:12< theotheredbacon> SEP
2015-08-02 00:55:45< theotheredbacon> sounds like a good gig you saved there
2015-08-02 00:55:46< ph3-der-loewe> hm, ok.
2015-08-02 00:55:55< ph3-der-loewe> it was fun. and that is the important part.
2015-08-02 00:56:08< theotheredbacon> aye, as long as the audience liked it, who cares?
2015-08-02 00:56:26< theotheredbacon> ...and nobody died
2015-08-02 00:56:27 * ph3-der-loewe nods.
2015-08-02 00:57:36< theotheredbacon> setup is a bastard for medium gigs - I often have a few "people with the band" who think they can hang speakers
2015-08-02 00:57:50< theotheredbacon> that's dangerous - let me do it
2015-08-02 00:58:11< theotheredbacon> unless you want a 110lb box dropping on you
2015-08-02 00:58:17 * ph3-der-loewe nods.
2015-08-02 00:58:25< ph3-der-loewe> safty first. whatever you do.
2015-08-02 00:58:28< theotheredbacon> 50kG for the americams
2015-08-02 00:58:30< theotheredbacon> n
2015-08-02 00:59:22< ph3-der-loewe> next algo is tiger I think.
2015-08-02 00:59:32< theotheredbacon> sorry, seem to have gone into rant mode - I'll shush now
2015-08-02 01:00:16< theotheredbacon> I have never heard of tiger
2015-08-02 01:00:28< theotheredbacon> unless it's a macos version
2015-08-02 01:00:43< theotheredbacon> which, from context, it is not
2015-08-02 01:02:53< ph3-der-loewe> tigers are nice big cats. cute and with soft fur. ;)
2015-08-02 01:07:54< theotheredbacon> And not killed by dentists this week
2015-08-02 01:07:58< theotheredbacon> Yet
2015-08-02 01:09:03< ph3-der-loewe> hm?
2015-08-02 01:09:23< ph3-der-loewe> in this case: tiger is a hashing algo just like e.g. SHA1.
2015-08-02 01:09:58< ph3-der-loewe> it is optimized for 64 bit systems (alpha to be specific) and is very fast on them.
2015-08-02 01:11:00< ph3-der-loewe> It also features a very white bit distribution in the output.
2015-08-02 01:11:21< ph3-der-loewe> so it's nice as noise generator.
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2015-08-02 01:15:00< theotheredbacon> I use bassists for that
2015-08-02 01:18:32< ph3-der-loewe> hm.
2015-08-02 01:22:36< theotheredbacon> Well they generally just produce random crap while I'm trying to sound check the drums. Maybe that's a missed opportunity for entropy?
2015-08-02 01:23:42< ph3-der-loewe> ;)
2015-08-02 01:23:50< ph3-der-loewe> maybe, maybe... ;)
2015-08-02 01:24:50< ph3-der-loewe> I think I'm not going to implement tiger today ;)
2015-08-02 01:25:07< ph3-der-loewe> I think I will implemnt something more fitting the current time of day.
2015-08-02 01:25:22< theotheredbacon> Also that drummer who hits the snare when I'm micing it up "do you really want to deafen the guy doing your mix?"
2015-08-02 01:25:37< ph3-der-loewe> haha.
2015-08-02 01:25:55< theotheredbacon> I have perfected a glare
2015-08-02 01:26:50< theotheredbacon> I really wish I understood what you were doing so I could help
2015-08-02 01:26:58< theotheredbacon> Thank you though!
2015-08-02 01:31:21< ph3-der-loewe> I just checked that if the butter already reached a temperature you can cut it. I really hope you can do the same task also!
2015-08-02 01:31:25< ph3-der-loewe> ;)
2015-08-02 01:31:53< theotheredbacon> my butter is always on the side, so room temp
2015-08-02 01:31:57< theotheredbacon> and easy to spread
2015-08-02 01:32:06< theotheredbacon> same with eggs
2015-08-02 01:32:27< theotheredbacon> (although I don't spread eggs much)
2015-08-02 01:33:41 * ph3-der-loewe is a veggi lion, so has no use for eggs.
2015-08-02 01:34:47< theotheredbacon> I have three chickens, so get through a lot of eggs :)
2015-08-02 01:35:16< theotheredbacon> plus I eat meat
2015-08-02 01:35:33< theotheredbacon> sorry about that, but suits me
2015-08-02 01:37:08< theotheredbacon> was veggie for 8 years, but someone at uni kept cooking bacon every morning and one day I faltered
2015-08-02 01:37:52< theotheredbacon> that was 20 years ago
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2015-08-02 01:41:55< ph3-der-loewe> so, what was your study about?
2015-08-02 01:42:58< theotheredbacon> my study?
2015-08-02 01:43:22< theotheredbacon> oh, I did physics with astrophysics
2015-08-02 01:43:52< ph3-der-loewe> oh, that's cool :)
2015-08-02 01:43:54< theotheredbacon> and generally DJing with sound engineering at the social centre
2015-08-02 01:44:08< theotheredbacon> more of the latter than any physics
2015-08-02 01:44:19< ph3-der-loewe> I watched the ISS flyby a few houres ago ;)
2015-08-02 01:44:30< ph3-der-loewe> it was at I think -3.1mag.
2015-08-02 01:44:42< theotheredbacon> mmm, I love watching it go by - I tell my kids "there are people up there"
2015-08-02 01:45:01< ph3-der-loewe> exactly what I am thinking every time I watch it.
2015-08-02 01:45:04< theotheredbacon> blows my mind
2015-08-02 01:45:06< ph3-der-loewe> that is also why I always wave.
2015-08-02 01:45:12< theotheredbacon> aye, me too!
2015-08-02 01:45:17< ph3-der-loewe> :))
2015-08-02 01:45:18< theotheredbacon> hello up there!!
2015-08-02 01:45:26< theotheredbacon> you can't see me but hello
2015-08-02 01:45:41< theotheredbacon> it['s great
2015-08-02 01:46:26< theotheredbacon> really find it hard to believe there are people on that bright star crashing over the sky
2015-08-02 01:46:37< theotheredbacon> it moves so fast!
2015-08-02 01:46:40< ph3-der-loewe> yes.
2015-08-02 01:46:56< ph3-der-loewe> I think it's about one point something degree per sec?
2015-08-02 01:47:15< theotheredbacon> it takes a couple of mins to pass from horizon to horizon here
2015-08-02 01:47:22 * ph3-der-loewe nods.
2015-08-02 01:47:32< theotheredbacon> 7 at max a couple of years ago
2015-08-02 01:47:35< theotheredbacon> love it
2015-08-02 01:48:01< theotheredbacon> just amazes me
2015-08-02 01:48:26< theotheredbacon> also love seeing meteor showers
2015-08-02 01:48:30< ph3-der-loewe> they are by far not the most far away friends we have. but they are some way the loneliest place we have friends.
2015-08-02 01:48:32< theotheredbacon> or anything like that
2015-08-02 01:48:43< theotheredbacon> that's a bit deep
2015-08-02 01:49:23< theotheredbacon> I've heard the amateur radio from the ISS too, although I've not talked back
2015-08-02 01:49:32< ph3-der-loewe> so I think it's good manner to wave. To show 'hey, you aren\'t alone.'
2015-08-02 01:49:38< theotheredbacon> "I'm hearing someone in space!"
2015-08-02 01:49:48< ph3-der-loewe> yes, that's also fun.
2015-08-02 01:49:55< theotheredbacon> do you have a licence?
2015-08-02 01:50:16< ph3-der-loewe> sure. the class A (the biggest one in germany).
2015-08-02 01:50:30< theotheredbacon> ah, I'm stil working on my foundation one in the UK
2015-08-02 01:50:44< theotheredbacon> class A to come as soon as possibly
2015-08-02 01:50:50< theotheredbacon> possible*
2015-08-02 01:50:51 * ph3-der-loewe nods.
2015-08-02 01:51:10< theotheredbacon> have you talked to them?
2015-08-02 01:51:21< theotheredbacon> trying to remember the call sign
2015-08-02 01:51:56< ph3-der-loewe> not yet. but mostly because of my living situation.
2015-08-02 01:52:25< theotheredbacon> can't believe that 2m can reach the ISS
2015-08-02 01:52:41< ph3-der-loewe> I'm lucky: I got a balcony on the east and one on the west. But that also means I can only be in contact half the time then they pass.
2015-08-02 01:53:10< theotheredbacon> OMG, they do 70cm??
2015-08-02 01:53:15< theotheredbacon> how does that work?
2015-08-02 01:53:34< ph3-der-loewe> there is nothing in between.
2015-08-02 01:53:41< theotheredbacon> but...
2015-08-02 01:53:43< theotheredbacon> ok
2015-08-02 01:53:59< ph3-der-loewe> and with higher frequency you can get better gain at the ground station with the same amount of space.
2015-08-02 01:54:13< ph3-der-loewe> better = higher
2015-08-02 01:54:27< theotheredbacon> i suppose shooting straight up...?
2015-08-02 01:54:36< theotheredbacon> I don't have my licence yet
2015-08-02 01:54:47< theotheredbacon> but 70cms seems short
2015-08-02 01:55:21< ph3-der-loewe> best setup is to have a antenna you can control both dimensions. best if it can be controled by a tracking software.
2015-08-02 01:55:34< ph3-der-loewe> so the computer can make it point to the station all the time.,
2015-08-02 01:55:39< theotheredbacon> and it's not straight up as it's not geostationary
2015-08-02 01:55:46 * ph3-der-loewe nods.
2015-08-02 01:55:55< theotheredbacon> LEO
2015-08-02 01:56:15< ph3-der-loewe> most interesting objects are in lower orbit as it's... not as expensive.
2015-08-02 01:56:16< ph3-der-loewe> ;)
2015-08-02 01:56:22< theotheredbacon> brb
2015-08-02 02:05:08< theotheredbacon> cubesats are very interesting
2015-08-02 02:05:33< theotheredbacon> little things that orbit untably for a while
2015-08-02 02:05:41< theotheredbacon> unstably
2015-08-02 02:06:24< ph3-der-loewe> and much smaller thank you may think at first ;)
2015-08-02 02:06:56< theotheredbacon> yeah, I have no idea how to design something that tiny
2015-08-02 02:07:05< theotheredbacon> but I'd love to put My Stuf in it
2015-08-02 02:07:40< ph3-der-loewe> I think it all starts with a pen and a bit of paper ;)
2015-08-02 02:07:54< theotheredbacon> probably just a small packet radio station (I know that's been done)
2015-08-02 02:08:10< theotheredbacon> it all starts with 5 pints of beer IMO
2015-08-02 02:08:30< ph3-der-loewe> ;)
2015-08-02 02:09:03< ph3-der-loewe> I would like to have a little cubsat with PV pannels on 5 sides and a ShuKo socket on the last one.
2015-08-02 02:09:08< theotheredbacon> the current packet radio station is screaming over the bandwidth IIRC
2015-08-02 02:09:19< ph3-der-loewe> so if you ever need 230V~ while in space you can just use my satelit ;)
2015-08-02 02:10:41 * theotheredbacon designs some interesting leads that can connect with a moving satellite 
2015-08-02 02:10:54< theotheredbacon> for power
2015-08-02 02:11:14< theotheredbacon> I'm thinking sharks with lasers
2015-08-02 02:11:39< theotheredbacon> or maybe just send a roadie up there - they're expendable
2015-08-02 02:12:23< theotheredbacon> just enough oxygen to connect it up then spin off into space where he can't cause any more harm
2015-08-02 02:12:42< theotheredbacon> then die, horribly
2015-08-02 02:13:21< theotheredbacon> oh, after saying "check one two" over the radio link, of course
2015-08-02 02:13:37< ph3-der-loewe> haha,
2015-08-02 02:14:29< theotheredbacon> I think we have a deal - you will provide 230V and I will kill roadies
2015-08-02 02:15:12 * theotheredbacon starts a list
2015-08-02 02:21:19< ph3-der-loewe> I think my deal is to go to my lionesses soon and do my job as a prideleader.
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2015-08-02 04:05:11< ph3-der-loewe> http://0wx.org/587ef467d5aa3319531317dae596d9e5/
2015-08-02 04:05:22< ph3-der-loewe> I think my PRNG pattern works. :)
2015-08-02 04:05:50< ph3-der-loewe> It's a good point for tomorrow to start work again.
2015-08-02 04:30:10< freedrull> does anything else use HTTP 100 Continue other than icecast? https://gist.github.com/ePirat/adc3b8ba00d85b7e3870#example-request 
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2015-08-02 09:45:15< ePirat> freedrull, usually every good webserver should support it
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2015-08-02 10:36:20< DRLong> is there a way to add an additional listening format to the web front end
2015-08-02 10:36:35< DRLong> currently i have m3u and xspf
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2015-08-02 12:58:14< DRLong> all done, now that wasn't so hard...lol
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2015-08-02 17:56:06< DRLong> when i try to stream with darkice i get can't open connector, any ideas
2015-08-02 17:57:09< DRLong> i have switched from openbsd to linuxmint on an extra lappy 
2015-08-02 17:57:30< DRLong> i thougt it would be easier to get help since most of you use linux
2015-08-02 17:58:16< DRLong> my icecast server is up and running and i can access it from a browser but no mount points listed
2015-08-02 17:58:45< DRLong> can i set the mount point with darksnow
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2015-08-03 10:11:38< qwebirc56203> I am listening  trough icecast radio directory to a radiostation called misterium (not misterium II). know the programm does not find the radio station anymore (24h)
2015-08-03 10:27:37< patsToms> http://misterium.playtheradio.com/ ?
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2015-08-03 11:15:23< qwebirc56203> the link you are showing, works, but trough the radio directory  i can find only misterium II since 24 h.
2015-08-03 11:16:03< qwebirc56203>  i  meant  i can not find the radioprogram misterium
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2015-08-03 11:16:38< ph3-der-loewe> maybe they failed to touch the directory for some reason?
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2015-08-03 12:01:56< DRLong> s/part
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2015-08-03 12:05:59< qwebirc56203> what is the next step to fix the problem?
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2015-08-03 12:07:07< ph3-der-loewe> qwebirc56203: contact them and ask them to have a look at their error.log.
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2015-08-03 12:15:08< qwebirc56203> I am just trying to find a contact mail... I tryed to send a request on http://misterium.playtheradio.com/ but i got an error in the email message delivery...
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2015-08-03 12:15:43< qwebirc56203> no othe email or contact possibility, yet...
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2015-08-03 12:17:12< ph3-der-loewe> :(
2015-08-03 12:17:42< qwebirc56203> da ich hier in den nicknamen deutsche begriffe herauslesen konnte, gehe ich mal davon aus, das wir hier auch auf deutsch kommunizieren können..
2015-08-03 12:19:31< qwebirc56203> sehr uhr irgendwelche möglichkeiten die betreffende radiostation zu erreichen?
2015-08-03 12:20:05< qwebirc56203> seht ihr irgendwelche möglichkeiten die betreffende radiostation zu erreichen?
2015-08-03 12:20:32< ph3-der-loewe> wenn es sein muss. wir bleiben meist lieber bei englsich aus hoeflichkeit den mitlesern gegenueber.
2015-08-03 12:21:02< ph3-der-loewe> nicht wirklich. das verzeichnis ist ein push dienst. soll heissen wenn nichts eingeliefert wird haben wir auch nicht viel moeglichkeiten.
2015-08-03 12:21:37< ph3-der-loewe> wir arbeiten im momment etwas daran die situation zu verbessern. auf der anderen seite moechten wir den betreibern auch nicht auf die fuesse treten.
2015-08-03 12:21:38< qwebirc56203> danke erstmal...
2015-08-03 12:23:13< ph3-der-loewe> Du kannst noch qnhtf07iaojcflb4lj4w@i.o-w-o.info versuchen. das steht fuer die domain als kontackt im whois.
2015-08-03 12:23:55< qwebirc56203> qnhtf07iaojcflb4lj4w@i.o-w-o.info (komplett so?)
2015-08-03 12:24:24< ph3-der-loewe> jup, siehe den whois record.
2015-08-03 12:24:36< ph3-der-loewe> kannst du mir noch die URL vom stream selbst geben?
2015-08-03 12:27:24< qwebirc56203> http://streaming210.radionomy.com:80/misterium     (ich denke mal das müsste die url sein) habe das jetzt aus der url von misterium II  und einach die -II- weggelassen..
2015-08-03 12:28:11< ph3-der-loewe> ah, radionomy!
2015-08-03 12:28:16< ph3-der-loewe> das erklaerts.
2015-08-03 12:28:37< qwebirc56203> jetzt bin ich gespannt..
2015-08-03 12:29:03< ph3-der-loewe> die sind teilweise aus dem verzeichnis gebannt. tbr arbeitet mit denen zusammen um das problem zu loesen.
2015-08-03 12:29:14< ph3-der-loewe> es geht dabei um irgendwelche technichen schwirigkeiten.
2015-08-03 12:29:29< qwebirc56203> d.h. nur eine sache der zeit?
2015-08-03 12:29:31< ph3-der-loewe> kein boesses blut, nur irgendwas techniches. da kann ich dir aber keine details zu geben.
2015-08-03 12:29:36< ph3-der-loewe> ich hoffe es.
2015-08-03 12:29:41< qwebirc56203> danke.
2015-08-03 12:32:51< qwebirc56203> die email versenden wäre jetzt nicht mehr angebracht? 
2015-08-03 12:33:16< ph3-der-loewe> du kannst es versuchen. scharden wird es nichts.
2015-08-03 12:33:33< ph3-der-loewe> zumal ich nicht genau weiss wie der stand zwichen tbr und radionomy ist.
2015-08-03 12:34:54< qwebirc56203> ok, vielen dank
2015-08-03 12:35:02< ph3-der-loewe> kein thema.
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2015-08-03 14:05:06< ePirat> "A GPL streaming media server project that currently streams in MP3 format, with plans to add support for video and Vorbis formats"
2015-08-03 14:05:09< ePirat> O_O
2015-08-03 14:05:27< ePirat> I wonder where google got this ancient description from
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2015-08-05 12:06:43< exander> Hi to all
2015-08-05 12:07:42< exander> I would like to ask a question about icecast 2
2015-08-05 12:09:07< exander> Is it possible to use it as a multi user jukebox ?
2015-08-05 12:09:49< exander> i.e. play directly a requested mp3 audio ?
2015-08-05 12:13:45< edoardo> exander: what does that mean?
2015-08-05 12:13:55< edoardo> have a radio that plays songs chosen by users?
2015-08-05 12:16:42< exander> No, I am projecting a smartphone application which I would like play songs from a list in streaming and I would like to use Icecast as server
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2015-08-05 13:03:51< edoardo> exander: you need to expose the folder and serve the mp3s as static
2015-08-05 13:08:25< exander> can you please give me a url where I can view how to configure mp3s as static  ?
2015-08-05 13:12:12< edoardo> exander: i can't find anything
2015-08-05 13:12:36< edoardo> there's something on a mailinglist, but if i was you i'd use nginx/apache/lighttpd
2015-08-05 13:15:26< exander> ok thank you I will try to find a way
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2015-08-05 16:32:21< BOGO> Hello?
2015-08-05 16:32:49< BOGO> I am trying to upgrade my icecast on Debian 8 from 2.4.0 to 2.4.2
2015-08-05 16:33:05< BOGO> is there a simple quick and painless way on doingit?
2015-08-05 16:36:06< BOGO> I have googled and all I can find is what I have already done on the server
2015-08-05 16:36:14< BOGO> and I just want to upgrade
2015-08-05 16:48:25<+tbr> https://wiki.xiph.org/Icecast_Server/Installing_latest_version_%28official_Xiph_repositories%29
2015-08-05 16:48:33<+tbr> has #exactsteps
2015-08-05 16:53:45< BOGO> does not work
2015-08-05 16:53:48< BOGO> sorry
2015-08-05 16:55:15<+tbr> please provide pastebin with whatever you describe as "doesn't work"
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2015-08-05 16:58:21< BOGO> OK the main reason it did not "work" is because I am in as root
2015-08-05 16:59:55<+tbr> shouldn't matter as long as you have sudo installed. You can skip the sudo sh -c and just run the part inside ""
2015-08-05 17:01:03< BOGO> OK it seems to be OK
2015-08-05 17:01:20< BOGO> wondering if it is that easy for the beta
2015-08-05 17:06:47< BOGO> http://stream.bogo.audio:8000/status.xsl
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2015-08-05 17:11:55<+tbr> we need to ship a new beta soon, but yes, it's about as easy
2015-08-05 17:16:37< BOGO> OK how do you suggest I do it?
2015-08-05 17:21:10<+tbr> you replace the URL with http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dm8tbr:/icecast-testing/Debian_8.0/
2015-08-05 17:23:39<+tbr> (Just added debian 8, will take a few minutes)
2015-08-05 17:25:07< BOGO> Oh
2015-08-05 17:25:12< BOGO> W: Failed to fetch http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dm8tbr:/icecast-testing/Debian_8.0/./Packages  404  Not Found [IP: 2001:67c:2178:8::13 80]
2015-08-05 17:25:12< BOGO> E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
2015-08-05 17:25:23<+tbr> 17:23:39<+tbr> (Just added debian 8, will take a few minutes)
2015-08-05 17:25:43< BOGO> Yah I know pasted it before I see
2015-08-05 17:25:44< BOGO> sorry
2015-08-05 17:31:41< BOGO> just say when you are ready
2015-08-05 17:38:06<+tbr> https://build.opensuse.org/project/show/home:dm8tbr:icecast-testing - once it says succeeded, like the others
2015-08-05 17:39:38< BOGO> yep still 404
2015-08-05 17:46:29<+tbr> OBS seems busy, this might even take hours...
2015-08-05 17:46:52<+tbr> btw: note that this is decidedly not for production environments
2015-08-05 17:47:09< BOGO> It is OK this is my test server
2015-08-05 17:47:15< BOGO> so if it sucks it sucks
2015-08-05 17:52:47<+tbr> it's done
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2015-08-05 18:04:28< BOGO> crap
2015-08-05 18:04:36< BOGO> now my server is going bonkers
2015-08-05 18:05:46< BOGO> stand by
2015-08-05 18:05:57< BOGO> it is saying it cant do https or something
2015-08-05 18:06:00< BOGO> rebuild
2015-08-05 18:08:32< BOGO> I am doing that since this is a test server thank God
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2015-08-05 18:11:57<+tbr> it might complain about the gpg key
2015-08-05 18:12:05<+tbr> you'll need to import that too
2015-08-05 18:12:50< BOGO> W: GPG error: http://download.opensuse.org ./ Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 5CF95C380B585722
2015-08-05 18:13:01<+tbr> yes
2015-08-05 18:13:21<+tbr> http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dm8tbr:/icecast-testing/Debian_8.0/Release.gpg or http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dm8tbr:/icecast-testing/Debian_8.0/Release.key needs to be imported
2015-08-05 18:15:17< BOGO> root@stream:~# gpg multimedia-obs.key
2015-08-05 18:15:18< BOGO> gpg: can't open `multimedia-obs.key'
2015-08-05 18:15:33< BOGO> am I doing this wrong?
2015-08-05 18:16:56< BOGO> root@stream:~# sudo apt-key add http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dm8tbr:/icecast-testing/Debian_8.0/Release.key
2015-08-05 18:16:57< BOGO> gpg: can't open `http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dm8tbr:/icecast-testing/Debian_8.0/Release.key': No such file or directory
2015-08-05 18:17:20<+tbr> wget -qO - http://icecast.org/multimedia-obs.key | sudo apt-key add -
2015-08-05 18:17:49<+tbr> note that this is considered insecure, but it's a testing environment of yours
2015-08-05 18:18:09< BOGO> root@stream:~# wget -qO - http://icecast.org/multimedia-obs.key | sudo apt-key add -
2015-08-05 18:18:09< BOGO> OK
2015-08-05 18:18:44< BOGO> still popping up that error
2015-08-05 18:19:01<+tbr> that was an example
2015-08-05 18:19:05<+tbr> use the right URL
2015-08-05 18:19:50< BOGO> OK let me start over
2015-08-05 18:23:41< BOGO> OK I think it is working this time
2015-08-05 18:24:55< BOGO> Reading package lists... Done
2015-08-05 18:24:55< BOGO> W: GPG error: http://download.opensuse.org ./ Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 5F3D540F3A802234
2015-08-05 18:25:23< BOGO> I downloaded the key from the link before
2015-08-05 18:25:43<+tbr> http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dm8tbr:/icecast-testing/Debian_8.0/Release.key - should be the right key
2015-08-05 18:26:38< BOGO> root@stream:~# wget -qO - http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dm8tbr:/icecast-testing/Debian_8.0/Release.key | sudo apt-key add -
2015-08-05 18:26:38< BOGO> OK
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2015-08-05 18:27:14< BOGO> Reading package lists... Done
2015-08-05 18:27:14< BOGO> W: GPG error: http://download.opensuse.org ./ Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 5F3D540F3A802234
2015-08-05 18:27:28<+tbr> hrm, or the key is currently expired
2015-08-05 18:27:44< BOGO> OK so what do you want me to do?
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2015-08-05 18:40:04 * tbr triggers a full rebuild with extended key validity
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2015-08-05 18:52:20< BOGO> OK so let me know when to try again
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2015-08-05 19:02:11<+tbr> rebuild is done. I'll also try to re-import the key here
2015-08-05 19:02:59< BOGO> ok
2015-08-05 19:03:05< BOGO> I will try again here
2015-08-05 19:03:40< BOGO> still not imported
2015-08-05 19:09:33<+tbr> tried on a 14.04 ubuntu machine, worked. make sure you rerun the key import.
2015-08-05 19:10:08<+tbr> "apt-key list" should show it with expiry date 2017-10-13
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2015-08-05 19:18:11< BOGO> every key I have shows 2017 or better for exspires
2015-08-05 19:18:41<+tbr> then it should work
2015-08-05 19:18:47< BOGO> should
2015-08-05 19:18:52< BOGO> let me try again
2015-08-05 19:21:00< BOGO> OK I just sent the VPS to rebuild
2015-08-05 19:21:06< BOGO> will give it another shot
2015-08-05 19:22:06<+tbr> tried it on a debian testing and it works
2015-08-05 19:22:39< BOGO> OK standby
2015-08-05 19:23:33< BOGO> debian 8?
2015-08-05 19:23:48<+tbr> with the debian 8 repository, yes
2015-08-05 19:24:15< BOGO> OK I just rebuilt
2015-08-05 19:24:24< BOGO> and running update and upgrade first
2015-08-05 19:24:34< BOGO> next will try the commands
2015-08-05 19:26:05< BOGO> works here too
2015-08-05 19:26:34< BOGO> not one error
2015-08-05 19:26:43< BOGO> the rebuild did the trick
2015-08-05 19:26:56< BOGO> must have been hung up on something
2015-08-05 19:28:01< BOGO> Icecast 2.4.99.1
2015-08-05 19:28:06< BOGO> now running
2015-08-05 19:28:20<+tbr> that's beta1, yes
2015-08-05 19:28:42< BOGO> Whooooooot
2015-08-05 19:28:45< BOGO> working
2015-08-05 19:28:51< BOGO> that is the latest beta right
2015-08-05 19:29:07<+tbr> short of checking out git and building from sources, yes
2015-08-05 19:29:41< BOGO> OK cool
2015-08-05 19:29:42< BOGO> thanks
2015-08-05 19:29:49< BOGO> glad it all works
2015-08-05 19:29:56< BOGO> now I have to get the mount setup
2015-08-05 19:30:21< BOGO> do you use special edits for your mounts or is the default best?
2015-08-05 19:30:21<+tbr> we changed quite some things if you want to play with those read the docs
2015-08-05 19:31:09< BOGO> OK cool
2015-08-05 19:31:24<+tbr> icecast.org/docs/icecast-trunk/
2015-08-05 19:31:45<+tbr> hmm, probably doesn't document the new things much :/
2015-08-05 19:33:15< BOGO> Oh well
2015-08-05 19:33:34< BOGO> since it is beta I will just use it on the test server I have
2015-08-05 19:35:50< BOGO> http://stream.bogo.audio:8000/tes
2015-08-05 19:35:56< BOGO> http://stream.bogo.audio:8000/test sorry
2015-08-05 19:36:09< BOGO> that is what the server is running for right now
2015-08-05 19:38:40<+tbr> bogomedia? I saw some misconfigured icecast server recently
2015-08-05 19:40:44<+tbr> http://bogo.audio:8000/theparty - showed up in error log for a while
2015-08-05 19:40:51< BOGO> that is mine
2015-08-05 19:43:42< BOGO> is it still?
2015-08-05 19:44:55<+tbr> don't think so
2015-08-05 19:45:30<+tbr> if there are problems you'll see it in error.log
2015-08-05 19:46:16< BOGO> Not seeing anythng here
2015-08-05 19:46:24< BOGO> it has been running OK for now
2015-08-05 19:47:34< BOGO> wonder what it was for?
2015-08-05 19:52:41<+tbr> maybe some mismatched hostname
2015-08-05 19:53:02< BOGO> could have been
2015-08-05 19:53:14< BOGO> I did not know what I was doing when I started
2015-08-05 19:53:22<+tbr> http://icecast.org/docs/icecast-trunk/yp.html - lists common problems
2015-08-05 19:54:16< BOGO> it was getting it running on my centos 6 VPS
2015-08-05 20:00:12< BOGO> that is why it was prob showing
2015-08-05 20:00:19< BOGO> otherwise it is good now
2015-08-05 20:00:21< BOGO> I think
2015-08-05 20:13:00< BOGO> should be OK now I think
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2015-08-05 22:42:25< qwebirc16021> hi
2015-08-05 22:42:41< qwebirc16021> anyone there
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2015-08-06 00:37:12< BOGO> ask your questions
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2015-08-06 15:54:58< bobgo_> I wonder if there is a way to get the latest beta on CentOS
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2015-08-06 16:24:31<+tbr> choose your poison: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dm8tbr:/icecast-testing/
2015-08-06 16:25:14 * ph3-der-loewe waves to tbr.
2015-08-06 16:26:30<+tbr> lo ph3-der-loewe 
2015-08-06 16:29:12 * ph3-der-loewe offers tbr some saltzkartoffeln mit kreuterquark. :)
2015-08-06 16:37:54< bobgo_> warning: /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.vSyM0J: Header V3 RSA/SHA1 Signature, key ID 0b585722: NOKEY
2015-08-06 16:39:52< bobgo_> rpm -ivh http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dm8tbr:/icecast-testing/CentOS_CentOS-6/x86_64/icecast-2.4.99.1-4.5.x86_64.rpm
2015-08-06 16:39:58< bobgo_> am I doing this wrong?
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2015-08-06 16:44:59< bobgo_> root@bogo1 [~]# rpm -ivh icecast-2.4.99.1-4.5.x86_64.rpm
2015-08-06 16:45:00< bobgo_> warning: icecast-2.4.99.1-4.5.x86_64.rpm: Header V3 RSA/SHA1 Signature, key ID 0b585722: NOKEY
2015-08-06 16:45:00< bobgo_> Preparing...                ########################################### [100%]
2015-08-06 16:45:00< bobgo_>         package icecast-2.4.99.1-4.5.x86_64 is already installed
2015-08-06 16:47:12< bobgo_> but it is not installed
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2015-08-06 16:58:47< bobgo_> crap
2015-08-06 16:58:53< bobgo_> now it is all gone
2015-08-06 17:03:40< bobgo_> nothing is working
2015-08-06 17:10:35< bobgo_> anyone?
2015-08-06 17:18:38<+tbr> please be more specific. which centos version? what did you do? what is "all gone"? what is "not working"?
2015-08-06 17:19:49< bobgo_> I am running 6.6
2015-08-06 17:20:00< bobgo_> and I just had to reinstall everything
2015-08-06 17:20:19< bobgo_> http://bogo.audio:8000/server_version.xsl
2015-08-06 17:20:24< bobgo_> back and running
2015-08-06 17:20:27< bobgo_> but
2015-08-06 17:20:33< bobgo_> not showing latest version
2015-08-06 17:21:03< bobgo_> http://linuxspacestation.blogspot.com/2014/11/how-to-install-audio-streaming-server.html
2015-08-06 17:21:09< bobgo_> is what I followed
2015-08-06 17:25:03<+tbr> that makes you install from sources. that's rubbish
2015-08-06 17:26:08< bobgo_> OK so what do I do then?
2015-08-06 17:29:02<+tbr> first: get rid of the mess that might have gone into your system
2015-08-06 17:29:18< bobgo_> OK how do I do that?
2015-08-06 17:30:05<+tbr> I do not know as I do not know exactly what you've done
2015-08-06 17:30:19<+tbr> what are the contents of /opt/icecast/ ?
2015-08-06 17:30:51< bobgo_> 2.4.2
2015-08-06 17:30:53< bobgo_> and
2015-08-06 17:30:59< bobgo_> 2.4.99.1
2015-08-06 17:31:21< bobgo_> and latest shortcut
2015-08-06 17:37:35<+tbr> right, so let's ignore all that for now
2015-08-06 17:37:52< bobgo_> OK 
2015-08-06 17:38:19<+tbr> so try to install the RPM from earlier
2015-08-06 17:38:40<+tbr> (proper would be to add the repository, but well)
2015-08-06 17:39:12< bobgo_> well just tell me what I need to do
2015-08-06 17:39:33<+tbr> I don't know centos that well
2015-08-06 17:39:38< bobgo_> OK
2015-08-06 17:40:06<+tbr> proper would be to add "http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dm8tbr:/icecast-testing/CentOS_CentOS-6/" to your package management system
2015-08-06 17:40:21< bobgo_> OK how do I do that?
2015-08-06 17:42:17< bobgo_> is that a repo?
2015-08-06 17:42:32<+tbr> yes
2015-08-06 17:43:15< bobgo_> OK putting it into yum.conf
2015-08-06 17:43:20< bobgo_> I think is where it goes
2015-08-06 17:43:38< bobgo_> http://wiki.centos.org/PackageManagement/Yum
2015-08-06 18:01:18< bobgo_> or not?
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2015-08-06 18:33:09< bobgo_> OK then
2015-08-06 18:37:35< bobgo_> thanks anyways
2015-08-06 18:49:19< bobgo_> I guess I am stuck with what I have then
2015-08-06 19:01:06<+tbr> I am sorry, but I can't handhold you through basic linux distribution things that I have no good knowledge of
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2015-08-06 19:32:30< bobgo_> not wanting you to do that
2015-08-06 19:32:46< bobgo_> Just help me figure out what I might be doing wrong
2015-08-06 19:32:52< bobgo_> as you have said thus far
2015-08-06 19:32:57< bobgo_> I did
2015-08-06 19:33:36<+tbr> so you added the repository? refreshed and can see the 2.4.99.1 package if you search?
2015-08-06 19:34:07< bobgo_> I added the link to the yum.conf like I thought
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2015-08-06 20:00:47<+tbr> so update the package lists cache and check if it sees the package version?
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2015-08-06 20:06:20< bobgo_> I ran yum and it did not update anything
2015-08-06 20:10:07<+tbr> but does the search find it?
2015-08-06 20:11:39< bobgo_> not to my eyes
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2015-08-06 20:16:24< theotheredbacon> I'd try to help but I nothing of yum :(
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2015-08-06 20:34:57< bobgo_> It has been to long for me these days
2015-08-06 20:35:12< bobgo_> my last linux class was 8 or more years ago
2015-08-06 20:43:42<+tbr> so I went and read the centos docs. took me 2min.
2015-08-06 20:44:12<+tbr> "yum repolist" should show the repository
2015-08-06 20:44:26<+tbr> "yum info icecast" should show the right package and version
2015-08-06 20:44:34<+tbr> then you can just install it
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2015-08-06 20:57:23< bobgo_> OK
2015-08-06 20:57:33< bobgo_> well I will re look into it
2015-08-06 20:57:46< bobgo_> right now I am prob going to just blow up that server
2015-08-06 20:57:56< bobgo_> and rebuild it with debian
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2015-08-07 00:46:00< ScottSteiner> Is it possible to stream from "open broadcaster software", or rtmp in general, to shoutcast?  anybody know of a guide?  
2015-08-07 00:47:08< ph3-der-loewe> This channel is NOT about shoutcast nor rtmp at all. I'm not sure you are in the right channel.
2015-08-07 01:11:47< theotheredbaron> um, although we could possibly help, right?
2015-08-07 01:12:07< theotheredbaron> and show a way to do it, or move to icecat?
2015-08-07 01:12:10< theotheredbaron> +s
2015-08-07 01:12:20< theotheredbaron> not my channel so I don't know the rules
2015-08-07 01:13:21< theotheredbaron> ph3-der-loewe: just seemed a bit harsh, but I'm happy to stand down here
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2015-08-07 01:31:14< ph3-der-loewe> theotheredbaron: I just see no point in doing support for competitors fo free. Also considering that we are here because they do not adhere our moral standards ;)
2015-08-07 01:31:49< ph3-der-loewe> if you ewant to convert him to a ever after happy icecast user feel free to go ahead.
2015-08-07 01:32:08< ph3-der-loewe> but doing such support is clearly out of the scope of this channel.
2015-08-07 01:34:07< theotheredbaron> ph3-der-loewe: I really wasn't having a go sorry
2015-08-07 01:34:53< theotheredbaron> some channels are stricter than the ones I normally talk nonsense on, so I'm probably out of order
2015-08-07 01:34:58< theotheredbaron> my apologies
2015-08-07 01:35:14< ph3-der-loewe> don't worry. :)
2015-08-07 01:35:34< theotheredbaron> I'm just generally a helpful chap 
2015-08-07 01:35:36< ph3-der-loewe> it's all fine. just told you my opinion.
2015-08-07 01:35:42< theotheredbaron> aye
2015-08-07 01:36:04< theotheredbaron> I'm new here, so don't want to tread on toes
2015-08-07 01:36:11< theotheredbaron> apologies if I did
2015-08-07 01:37:04 * ph3-der-loewe wiggels with his 16 toes.
2015-08-07 01:37:16< theotheredbaron> I don't really see shoutcast as a competitor as icecast does so much more, so that might have been why I was so willing to help
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2015-08-07 01:37:57< theotheredbaron> anyway, I'm so crap at icecast I'd probably lead people astray anyway
2015-08-07 01:38:46< ph3-der-loewe> then stay and learn. I'm sure there are many nice people around knowing a lot about icecast. like our beloved tbr. :)
2015-08-07 01:39:28< theotheredbaron> I'm moving longside radio to icecast with Tig (not currently on here) and we've done some fun things with fallback on it
2015-08-07 01:39:42< theotheredbaron> it currently uses tunein
2015-08-07 01:39:47< ph3-der-loewe> :)
2015-08-07 01:39:56< theotheredbaron> we setup an icecast server that blew it out of the water
2015-08-07 01:40:15< theotheredbaron> so I'm very grateful to you people who actually code the thing
2015-08-07 01:40:38< theotheredbaron> boradcast live from a major blues festival and a jazz festival
2015-08-07 01:41:29< theotheredbaron> so what I'm trying to say is: I love icecast and I'm sorry if I made a small mistake about supporting shoutcast people :)
2015-08-07 01:42:47< ph3-der-loewe> just relax :)
2015-08-07 01:43:14< theotheredbaron> I'm perfectly relaxed :)
2015-08-07 01:43:56< ph3-der-loewe> We're not going to bite off your head (out side service hours that is). ;)))
2015-08-07 01:44:05< theotheredbaron> think I just agreed with you completely in an agressive way :)
2015-08-07 01:44:31< theotheredbaron> nah, had a lovely chat with tbr the other night
2015-08-07 01:45:10< theotheredbaron> was asking for two-way fallback
2015-08-07 01:45:53< theotheredbaron> we managed it woth two icecast2 servers in the end, and it went out live
2015-08-07 01:46:15< ph3-der-loewe> hm.
2015-08-07 01:47:04< theotheredbaron> ph3-der-loewe: I'm sorry if we got off on the wrong foot - hello!  I'm a streaming audio enthusiast and love icecast2
2015-08-07 01:47:13< ph3-der-loewe> currently getting my stuff packed. I'm going to leave soon.
2015-08-07 01:47:22< theotheredbaron> where are you off to?
2015-08-07 01:47:32< ph3-der-loewe> another of my homes.
2015-08-07 01:47:39< theotheredbaron> you have several?
2015-08-07 01:47:49< ph3-der-loewe> four in total at the moment.
2015-08-07 01:48:20< theotheredbaron> should I be impressed?
2015-08-07 01:52:10< ph3-der-loewe> why?
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2015-08-07 02:17:16< ph3-der-loewe> the lion is now off. see all of you later!
2015-08-07 02:18:03< ph3-der-loewe> *gone*
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2015-08-07 03:56:01< bobgo_> OK I am running Debian 7 and I dont have my latest version of icecast
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2015-08-07 04:16:54< bobgo_> how do I do that
2015-08-07 04:42:42< lns> bobgo_, install from source?
2015-08-07 04:44:09< bobgo_> OK?
2015-08-07 04:44:24< bobgo_> all I did was ap-get install icecast2
2015-08-07 04:44:31< bobgo_> but it is a very old version
2015-08-07 04:51:21< lns> bobgo_, http://downloads.xiph.org/releases/icecast/icecast-2.4.2.tar.gz
2015-08-07 04:51:45< lns> $ tar zxvf icecast-2.4.2.tar.gz
2015-08-07 04:51:54< lns> $ less README
2015-08-07 04:52:25< lns> (after switching directories of to the one the tarfile creates of course)
2015-08-07 04:52:43 * lns waves goodnight to all
2015-08-07 04:55:28< bobgo_> I will deal with it in the morning
2015-08-07 04:55:55< bobgo_> since it was kind of a pain to deal with
2015-08-07 05:12:05< ScottSteiner> sorry, got disconnected from my bnc.  i meant icecast earlier
2015-08-07 05:13:33< ScottSteiner>  Is it possible to stream from "open broadcaster software", or rtmp in general, to icecast?  anybody know of a guide? 
2015-08-07 05:54:46< theotheredbaron> ScottSteiner, you can stream from pretty much anything to icecast
2015-08-07 05:55:20< theotheredbaron> I use SAM Broadcaster, but you can also use Mixx or many other things
2015-08-07 05:55:37< theotheredbaron> just need to set an encoder up and point it at icecast
2015-08-07 05:56:21< theotheredbaron> it'll auto-create a mountpoint (you specify that in the encoder config) then you connect to that and away you go
2015-08-07 06:02:56< ScottSteiner> what about for video?
2015-08-07 06:03:17< theotheredbaron> never used video sorry
2015-08-07 06:03:25< ScottSteiner> ok thanks
2015-08-07 06:03:38< theotheredbaron> would like to learn it though!
2015-08-07 06:04:45 * theotheredbaron goes to let the chickens out
2015-08-07 06:11:09< theotheredbaron> should probably learn all this as I got a "hell yes" from a telly station yesterday for work
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2015-08-07 14:55:40< bobgo_> is there an easy way to upgrade 2.3.3 to the beta on Debian 7?
2015-08-07 15:25:04<+tbr> it's just the same as on debian 8. Just substitute 7 for 8 in the URL.
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2015-08-07 15:45:46< bobgo_> dont have any of that here
2015-08-07 15:47:34< bobgo_> what was that link you put up in here
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2015-08-07 15:50:09< bobgo_> got it
2015-08-07 15:50:14< bobgo_> I did save it
2015-08-07 15:50:17< bobgo_> Lucky me
2015-08-07 15:52:26< bobgo_> https://wiki.xiph.org/Icecast_Server/Installing_latest_version_%28official_Xiph_repositories%29
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2015-08-07 17:30:06< bobgo_> OK so what do I need to do tbr to get the latest version?
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2015-08-07 19:46:21< bobgo_> is there a place to find the xml info for default mounts?
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2015-08-07 21:17:35< bobgo_> https://wiki.xiph.org/Icecast_Server/Installing_latest_version_%28official_Xiph_repositories%29
2015-08-07 21:18:15< bobgo_> I am using that but not sure how to get the latest version which I think tbr showed me how to do but I dont have the idea anymore
2015-08-07 21:24:18< lns> bobgo_, what distro?
2015-08-07 21:24:44< lns> seems like the instructions are right there on the page...
2015-08-07 21:24:56< bobgo_> Deb 7
2015-08-07 21:25:09< bobgo_> but I want to get the beta
2015-08-07 21:25:13< bobgo_> or should I not?
2015-08-07 21:25:29< lns> bobgo_, why do you want the beta?
2015-08-07 21:25:44< bobgo_> does it not have some fixes?
2015-08-07 21:27:07< lns> it may, but also may have bugs not ironed out in official releases. Depends on your use-case I guess which one would be best.
2015-08-07 21:27:18< lns> I wouldn't advise a production server running a beta.
2015-08-07 21:27:40< bobgo_> OK so what ever that offers there is the latest stuff right?
2015-08-07 21:28:17< lns> what?
2015-08-07 21:28:35< bobgo_> OK what is offer of the page I linked to
2015-08-07 21:28:44< bobgo_> is the most current versions
2015-08-07 21:30:36< lns> bobgo_, sorry I'm not sure. Did you not just follow the directions to install?
2015-08-07 21:30:54< bobgo_> yes
2015-08-07 21:30:55< lns> Whatever it installs after following those directions will follow whatever latest releases were put in the repository.
2015-08-07 21:31:11< bobgo_> OK then i do have the latest
2015-08-07 21:31:26< lns> you can check with something like, $ dpkg -l | grep icecast2
2015-08-07 21:32:49< bobgo_> ii  icecast2                        2.4.2-2                   amd64        streaming media server
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2015-08-07 21:39:09< Egy> Hello !
2015-08-07 21:39:43< bobgo_> that is latest right?
2015-08-07 21:41:27< Egy> Is there other people in the channel ? I have just logged in.
2015-08-07 21:50:53< bobgo_> they are here on and off
2015-08-07 21:51:04< bobgo_> just ask your question(s)
2015-08-07 21:51:29< bobgo_> and if someone can help they will
2015-08-07 22:02:21< Egy> Oh!
2015-08-07 22:02:22< Egy> Great.
2015-08-07 22:05:26< Egy> I want to setup my broadcasting to be a public one, so that my friends can hear what I hear. I am using darkice with properly configured settings (from this answer: https://askubuntu.com/quesudostions/28496/how-do-i-setup-an-icecast-server-for-broadcasting-audio-in-my-network/28498).
2015-08-07 22:05:26< Egy> I have installed the latest version for icecast2 for Ubuntu and followed the instructions in the docs but with no luck.
2015-08-07 22:08:18< Egy> The admin panel says that my test stream is public. The URL that I give to my friend is: http://localhost:8000/teststream.mp3 , where localhost is my internal IP address. I have also tried with my external IP but with no luck.
2015-08-07 22:11:31< Egy> Also, I am still a little bit confused about the process itself of making it public. I have seen the link associated with the channel's description and it was informative. But still, I cannot understand how Icecast server would know about my broadcasting (thus, making it public). 
2015-08-07 22:11:44< Egy> Any help is appreciated. Thank you.
2015-08-07 22:21:54< lns> Egy, if you're hosting your icecast server on an internal LAN you'll have to do port-forwarding from your router to reach it from the outside world.
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2015-08-07 22:51:39< Egy> I'll have to port-forward from my router's settings ?
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2015-08-07 22:52:20< Egy> and what ports are needed ? Sorry I am a little confused.
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2015-08-07 22:55:37< lns> Egy, whatever port you've specified in your config...normally 8000
2015-08-07 22:56:36< Egy> I am new to this port-forwarding thing. Let me check.
2015-08-07 23:02:44< bobgo_> I am thinking about moving mine off 8000
2015-08-07 23:02:56< bobgo_> just to make it more secure so to speak
2015-08-07 23:04:41< lns> bobgo_, I don't think you're going to gain any security by way of changing a port number...
2015-08-07 23:05:31< Egy> I have found that the closet thing to do a port-forwarding is "NAT Configuration rules" (there is also dynamicDNS).
2015-08-07 23:05:40< Egy> I'll give it a shot.
2015-08-07 23:05:54< bobgo_> well I did it for SSH
2015-08-07 23:08:40< Egy> Done
2015-08-07 23:08:42< Egy> Working ? http://192.168.1.65:8000/testStream.mp3
2015-08-07 23:09:37< Egy> I have limited the maximum listeners to be 2, but ultimately I want my station to be publicly visible.
2015-08-07 23:10:04< lns> Egy, you can't give a private IP range (192.168.x.x) on the Internet, that's your LAN address.
2015-08-07 23:11:00< Egy> Should I use my external IP ? my internal IP is my localhost, that's why I provided it.
2015-08-07 23:12:09< lns> If you configured your router correctly, you need to give your public IP address and the source port you're forwarding from. 
2015-08-07 23:12:34< lns> (try going to http://ipchicken.com for instance to get your public ip)
2015-08-07 23:14:04< Egy> http://41.69.220.116:8000/testStream.mp3
2015-08-07 23:14:14< Egy> This should be it.
2015-08-07 23:15:15< lns> Egy, I hear metal ;)
2015-08-07 23:15:22< Egy> For the source port, I have put 8000 and 8001 for caution. Also put TCP and UDP.
2015-08-07 23:15:34< Egy> GREEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT
2015-08-07 23:15:41< lns> now pipe organ? lol
2015-08-07 23:15:47< bobgo_> wow lots of lagg
2015-08-07 23:16:01< Egy> Let me check.
2015-08-07 23:16:20< bobgo_> there we go gone
2015-08-07 23:16:35< bobgo_> whoops
2015-08-07 23:16:39< bobgo_> sputter
2015-08-07 23:16:52< bobgo_> and again
2015-08-07 23:16:55< lns> well it's mp3... ;)
2015-08-07 23:16:58< Egy> Can you hear anything, Ins ?
2015-08-07 23:17:11< bobgo_> mp3 is what it is
2015-08-07 23:17:14< Egy> or bobgo, if you have connected.
2015-08-07 23:17:20< bobgo_> I hear the music
2015-08-07 23:17:26< bobgo_> with cookie monster
2015-08-07 23:17:31< bobgo_> growling
2015-08-07 23:17:36< Egy> hahahahaha
2015-08-07 23:17:41< Egy> That's great.
2015-08-07 23:17:43< bobgo_> but it is sputtering
2015-08-07 23:17:47< Egy> How good is the quality ?
2015-08-07 23:17:56< Egy> My bandwidth is low.
2015-08-07 23:17:58< bobgo_> so so
2015-08-07 23:18:02< Egy> 50KB
2015-08-07 23:18:12< Egy> but great thing it worked.
2015-08-07 23:18:14< bobgo_> well if you dont have the upload 
2015-08-07 23:18:24< bobgo_> I would not stream at home
2015-08-07 23:18:29< Egy> Up and down is 50Kb
2015-08-07 23:18:41< bobgo_> wow that is really low
2015-08-07 23:18:51< bobgo_> I have a 5Mb
2015-08-07 23:18:59< Egy> Oh god...
2015-08-07 23:19:20< bobgo_> i would invest in faster internet
2015-08-07 23:19:34< Egy> and Ins, many thanks man. I really appereciate your help. :-D
2015-08-07 23:19:53< Egy> High prices w/ bad quality.
2015-08-07 23:20:05< bobgo_> well you get what you get
2015-08-07 23:20:08< Egy> constantly on and off and whatnot.
2015-08-07 23:20:15< bobgo_> DSL?
2015-08-07 23:20:29< Egy> Yeah, can you imagine ?
2015-08-07 23:20:35< bobgo_> been there
2015-08-07 23:20:39< bobgo_> wont go back
2015-08-07 23:20:48< Egy> for sure.
2015-08-07 23:21:07< Egy> So, the broadcasting consumes my upload, right ?
2015-08-07 23:21:13< bobgo_> yepo
2015-08-07 23:21:33< Egy> and what about the station ? will it appear in the IceCast directory ?
2015-08-07 23:21:45< bobgo_> if you do the config rtight
2015-08-07 23:22:02< Egy> Like the description and stuff ?
2015-08-07 23:22:08< bobgo_> no
2015-08-07 23:22:12< bobgo_> the config
2015-08-07 23:22:23< bobgo_> in the xml file
2015-08-07 23:22:32< bobgo_> there is a listing
2015-08-07 23:22:43< Egy> yeah, they are all in the xml file.
2015-08-07 23:22:44< bobgo_> that if you want it listed you have to comment it out
2015-08-07 23:23:04< Egy> I have copied that and changed some values.
2015-08-07 23:23:13< Egy> the <mount> section, right ?
2015-08-07 23:23:17< bobgo_> no
2015-08-07 23:23:26< bobgo_> there is one that says directory
2015-08-07 23:23:43< bobgo_> uncomment this to list
2015-08-07 23:25:13< Egy> Saw it. Thanks for the info.
2015-08-07 23:25:22< Egy> what is yp ?
2015-08-07 23:26:01< Egy> I was using the ubuntu default icecast version (in which the no-yp value was deprecated)
2015-08-07 23:26:16< bobgo_> Yellow Pages
2015-08-07 23:26:21< Egy> and had to upgrade icecast to keep up with the docs.
2015-08-07 23:26:24< bobgo_> IE directory
2015-08-07 23:26:38< bobgo_> I have it running on a server not here
2015-08-07 23:26:50< bobgo_> wont run anything here
2015-08-07 23:27:03< Egy> A directory belongs to Icecast ? Sorry.
2015-08-07 23:27:10< bobgo_> yes
2015-08-07 23:27:19< bobgo_> like shoutcast 
2015-08-07 23:27:22< Egy> oh, I see.
2015-08-07 23:27:27< bobgo_> they both have a directory
2015-08-07 23:28:07< Egy> This had popped up a question, I hope you don't mind.
2015-08-07 23:28:33< Egy> if one had enough bandwidth and whatnot, why would you pay for a service to stream your content ?
2015-08-07 23:28:47< bobgo_> yes if you wanted to
2015-08-07 23:28:48< Egy> I saw a lot of them today.
2015-08-07 23:28:58< bobgo_> there are some that are fake too
2015-08-07 23:29:39< Egy> So streaming via Shoutcast/Icecast = streaming via a paid service ?
2015-08-07 23:29:53< Egy> (don't mind the app. provided or anything else)
2015-08-07 23:30:37<+MikeS> Egy: you might want someone to monitor the service/ensure that someone's available to fix it in the middle of the night if it breaks/etc. Or you might have enough bandwidth right now, but you wouldn't if your audience doubled in a day. There are many other possible reasons.
2015-08-07 23:30:43< bobgo_> well you can look at something like live365
2015-08-07 23:36:14< Egy> Mike: Ultimately, what I wanted is to make a friend of mine hear what I currently play without a lag or something. I have limited the max. number of listeners to be at most two people (in case something gone wrong). I appreciate your help though.
2015-08-07 23:36:15< Egy> bobgo: Yeah I know it's like Tunein. I just saw it offers plans for broadcasting. On the contrary, casper.fm is a good one that I stumbled upon today.
2015-08-07 23:36:47<+MikeS> egy: you probably wouldn't pay for a service for that sort of usage, then
2015-08-07 23:36:51< Egy> and btw Mike, what about the security of going publicly like that ?
2015-08-07 23:37:16< Egy> yeah :D
2015-08-07 23:38:17< Egy> Last thing I was going to consider was security. I have read that icecast requires openssl as an optional lib, so I thought there is some sort of security provided for broadcasting.
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2015-08-08 15:16:40< bobgo_> trying to figure out why my icecast drops or some how loses connections after 8 hours of streaming
2015-08-08 15:16:58< bobgo_> to the mounts
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2015-08-08 20:21:05< bobgo_> tbr you on?
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2015-08-08 23:18:54< theotheredbaron> morning
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2015-08-08 23:25:35< bobgo_> evening 
2015-08-08 23:25:49< theotheredbaron> definitely morning here
2015-08-08 23:25:54< theotheredbaron> 00:25
2015-08-08 23:31:39 * lns waves
2015-08-08 23:34:35< bobgo_> 6:34p here
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2015-08-08 23:51:15< theotheredbaron> bobgo_: I was reading your conversation with tbr the other day - anything I can help with?  Not an expert by any means
2015-08-08 23:51:33< theotheredbaron> and I certainly have no idea about the 8hr timeout you mentioned
2015-08-08 23:56:57< bobgo_> well so far I think I got it fixed
2015-08-08 23:57:07< bobgo_> just took out the timeout stuff in the xml
2015-08-08 23:57:22< bobgo_> have a stream that is 8 hours 12 mins and still going
2015-08-08 23:57:40< bobgo_> the main thing I want to do is try the beta on debian 7 min
2015-08-08 23:57:50< bobgo_> but have no idea how to get it
2015-08-08 23:58:04< theotheredbaron> compile and install
2015-08-08 23:58:13< theotheredbaron> compiling isn't hard these days
2015-08-08 23:58:19< bobgo_> OK how to do that?
2015-08-08 23:58:42< theotheredbaron> brb, need a moke, then will help if you're on for it?
2015-08-08 23:58:46< theotheredbaron> smoke*
2015-08-08 23:58:55< bobgo_> ok
2015-08-09 00:07:05< theotheredbaron> bobgo_: ok, I'm not an expert in any of this, but use icecast2 on debian, am familiar with compiling from source and willing to help
2015-08-09 00:07:25< theotheredbaron> want to go to PM and we'll try to sort it out?  I've got an hour
2015-08-09 00:09:18< theotheredbaron> I assume you want icecast 2.4 beta
2015-08-09 00:09:58< bobgo_> 2.5
2015-08-09 00:10:11< bobgo_> 2.4.99 I think it is
2015-08-09 00:10:25< bobgo_> yah PM me
2015-08-09 00:10:32< theotheredbaron> Icecast Release 2.5 beta1
2015-08-09 00:10:35< theotheredbaron> ?
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2015-08-09 04:57:18<+tbr> theotheredbaron: we provide packages for all major distributions. also of the beta versions.
2015-08-09 06:00:47< theotheredbaron> tbr: I helped bobgo_ through an install from source - hope that wasn't a problem
2015-08-09 06:01:19<+tbr> we generally do not recommend source installs, too many things go wrong
2015-08-09 06:01:37< theotheredbaron> indeed, I just wanted to help!
2015-08-09 06:01:51<+tbr> no problem there
2015-08-09 06:02:00< theotheredbaron> he's up and running now though
2015-08-09 06:02:36< theotheredbaron> I just had a spare hour to do stuff is all
2015-08-09 06:03:00< theotheredbaron> apologies if I've done something wrong
2015-08-09 06:04:57< theotheredbaron> bobgo_: see above - the way I talked you through may not be the right one
2015-08-09 06:08:01<+tbr> theotheredbaron: otoh bobgo_ should have known better as I walked him through with exactsteps through the process on debian 8 and later told him to repeat it.
2015-08-09 06:10:03< theotheredbaron> I think it's best for me to leave as I just do guerilla help :)
2015-08-09 06:10:12< theotheredbaron> night all!
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2015-08-09 10:21:07< ePirat> hi
2015-08-09 10:29:10< ph3-der-loewe> mau.
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2015-08-09 13:41:54< bobgo_> im on debian 7 min
2015-08-09 13:42:30< bobgo_> also all the steps we did are gone. The server I did it on is long gone.
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2015-08-09 16:35:11< bobgo_> Still stuck with 2.4.2 Since beta No Work
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2015-08-09 20:34:21< theotheredbaron> I thought we got it working?
2015-08-09 20:34:56< theotheredbaron> Although I've been told compiling from source is frowned upon so apologies for my bad advice :(
2015-08-09 20:38:49< BOGO> it worked until I left putty
2015-08-09 20:39:35< ph3-der-loewe> you didn't daemonize the proces?
2015-08-09 20:39:49< BOGO> as in?
2015-08-09 20:40:17< ph3-der-loewe> such as by passing -b when starting it manually.
2015-08-09 20:40:53< BOGO> I did what I was shown
2015-08-09 20:41:43< ph3-der-loewe> but it really should like you still had something relevant attached to your session.
2015-08-09 20:42:02< ph3-der-loewe> *sound
2015-08-09 20:42:20< ph3-der-loewe> I think it would be better to just go and get some sleep. was a long day for the lion.
2015-08-09 20:42:23< BOGO> no it worked, but the minute I exited putty it stopped
2015-08-09 20:43:09< ph3-der-loewe> yes.
2015-08-09 20:43:19< ph3-der-loewe> so it was still attached to the session.
2015-08-09 20:43:30< ph3-der-loewe> the moment you closed the session your process was killed.
2015-08-09 20:43:38< BOGO> correct
2015-08-09 20:43:59< ph3-der-loewe> it's best to run icecast using the init scripts as provided by the OS.
2015-08-09 20:44:13< ph3-der-loewe> to avoid such problems.
2015-08-09 20:44:17< BOGO> OK 
2015-08-09 20:44:25< ph3-der-loewe> or at least pass -b so it demonizes itself.
2015-08-09 20:44:37< BOGO> well as tbr mentioned we did it the wrong way I guess
2015-08-09 20:44:54< ph3-der-loewe> not the wrong way. just not the best way.
2015-08-09 20:45:08< BOGO> OK what do you suggest is the right?
2015-08-09 20:45:44< BOGO> if there is a site some place that shows exactly what to do fine
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2015-08-09 20:46:51< ph3-der-loewe> I suggest myself to go and get some sleep ;)
2015-08-09 20:47:18< BOGO> eh OK
2015-08-09 20:47:29< ph3-der-loewe> na, normally installing the OS package is the best option. but not always. if you just want to get started it normally is.
2015-08-09 20:47:52< BOGO> well I am not on debian 8 like I was
2015-08-09 20:48:15< BOGO> that is why I dont have the setup that we did before
2015-08-09 20:48:33< ph3-der-loewe> so what?
2015-08-09 20:48:57< BOGO> so that means I dont have the setup instructions
2015-08-09 20:49:28< ph3-der-loewe> it's the same as installing any other software on your system...
2015-08-09 20:49:37< BOGO> eh OK
2015-08-09 20:49:40< ph3-der-loewe> and as I don't know your system I can not tell you any details.
2015-08-09 20:49:54< ph3-der-loewe> also I will now go and sleep.
2015-08-09 20:49:58< BOGO> https://wiki.xiph.org/Icecast_Server/Installing_latest_version_%28official_Xiph_repositories%29
2015-08-09 20:50:02< BOGO> is what I used
2015-08-09 20:50:14< ph3-der-loewe> I'm hardly online those days as I'm at the ranch and working outside most of the day.
2015-08-09 20:50:28< ph3-der-loewe> but I'm sure the others are open to help you :)
2015-08-09 20:53:42< BOGO> OK sure
2015-08-09 20:59:27< ph3-der-loewe> have a nice night :)
2015-08-09 21:08:45< Egy> Is the channel log available to public ?
2015-08-09 21:13:33< lns> Egy, I've never heard of one logging this channel, though I could be wrong.
2015-08-09 21:31:42< Egy> Oh hello lns, good to see you again.
2015-08-09 21:31:57< Egy> The channel's description says: "Channel is logged for future reference"
2015-08-09 21:32:44< Egy> I have been in channels where the link for the log itself is provided.
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2015-08-09 22:33:54< lns> Egy, oh, well then I guess I just don't know where it's logged (or if it's public)
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2015-08-09 23:51:20< trumee> is there any multi threaded encoder for icecast? Something which can use 4 cores of raspberry pi
2015-08-10 00:02:21< BOGO> have not seen one yet
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2015-08-10 04:56:39< dev__> What software can I use to stream my Linux desktop to my icecast server?  Thanks
2015-08-10 05:55:36<+tbr> probably vlc
2015-08-10 05:55:45<+tbr> gstreamer likely too
2015-08-10 05:56:22 * tbr would recommend webm as the stream format and cautions to keep the keyframe ratio under 1:10
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2015-08-10 08:46:32< ph3-der-loewe> what is most annoying when fixing old bugs is that you likely run autogen serveral times.
2015-08-10 08:46:42< ph3-der-loewe> and it always uses like all the time of the universe.
2015-08-10 10:40:33< dev__> Thanks tbr.  When streaming using VLC, for some reason it shows up on my icecast status page but then disappears. I can never connect to it. Nothing shows up in the icecast logs regarding it. How can I troubleshoot?
2015-08-10 10:41:30< ph3-der-loewe> sounds like a data timeout.
2015-08-10 10:41:50< ph3-der-loewe> please have a look for a corresponding line in access.log.
2015-08-10 10:50:20< dev__> The only thing I see in access.log is x.x.x.x - - [10/Aug/2015:06:49:13 -0400] "SOURCE /stream.ts HTTP/1.0" 200 19 "-" "VLC media player 2.1.6" 11
2015-08-10 10:50:39< ph3-der-loewe> ok, so it connected. for 11 seconds.
2015-08-10 10:51:05< ph3-der-loewe> I suspect a problem on VLCs end. It's not sending data or just quits itself.
2015-08-10 10:52:39< dev__> Seems like you were right, it's a socket timeout. http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=zNBmxL6J
2015-08-10 10:59:24 * ph3-der-loewe nods.
2015-08-10 11:02:25< dev__> Here's the vlc log. I see where it has the issue (cannot add this stream) but not why. http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=0UuhERMQ
2015-08-10 11:04:19< ph3-der-loewe> it's VLC ;)
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2015-08-10 11:05:25< dev__> :P
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2015-08-10 12:12:13< dev__> hm, so I was able to stream just an audio file.  but not video. strange
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2015-08-10 12:51:15< ph3-der-loewe> so it may be related to the video encoder or the muxer?
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2015-08-10 22:02:06< BOGO> OK so anyways I wish I could figure out why my connections go for 12 hours or there abouts and resets
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2015-08-11 07:13:59< ph3-der-loewe> we don't have a feature for mass-kicking of clients it seems.
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2015-08-11 13:52:24< Krzysztof_M> Hello
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2015-08-11 13:53:12< Krzysztof_M> :)
2015-08-11 13:53:51<+tbr> moo
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2015-08-11 13:56:53< Krzysztof_M> What sending news stations to dir.xiph.org?
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2015-08-11 13:57:16< Krzysztof_M> *new
2015-08-11 13:58:14< ph3-der-loewe> you just need to configure the directory in your icecast.xml
2015-08-11 13:59:09< Krzysztof_M> my icecast is ms-dos programm....
2015-08-11 13:59:42 * ph3-der-loewe blinks.
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2015-08-11 14:01:06< Krzysztof_M> How configure directory?
2015-08-11 14:02:50< Krzysztof_M> ??
2015-08-11 14:03:21< ph3-der-loewe> http://icecast.org/docs/icecast-2.4.1/config-file.html#yp
2015-08-11 14:03:53< ph3-der-loewe> there should be an example in the example config that you just need to uncomment.
2015-08-11 14:05:53< Krzysztof_M> What's command in ms dos
2015-08-11 14:06:18< ph3-der-loewe> just open the config file in your favorit editor.
2015-08-11 14:06:52< Krzysztof_M> ??
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2015-08-11 14:07:37<+tbr> Krzysztof_M: tu masz wytłumaczone trochę dokładniej: http://icecast.org/docs/icecast-trunk/yp.html
2015-08-11 14:07:39< ph3-der-loewe> That's not a question ;)
2015-08-11 14:13:23< Krzysztof_M> What change icecast from msdos program to application
2015-08-11 14:13:24< Krzysztof_M> ??
2015-08-11 14:13:52<+tbr> Krzysztof_M: I suspect you mean the black CMD window that the windows version runs in?
2015-08-11 14:14:26< Krzysztof_M> my version xp
2015-08-11 14:14:39<+tbr> MS-DOS in all its 16-bit goodness is thankfully mostly a thing of the past...
2015-08-11 14:15:26<+tbr> right, so on WinXP Icecast will start as a little black window that you need to keep open.
2015-08-11 14:16:03<+tbr> the configuration is in the installation directory. use Notepad++ (not regular notepad) to edit it. After editing, close the "black window" and restart it
2015-08-11 14:16:22<+tbr> all the rest happens via the web interface, just like on every other platform
2015-08-11 14:16:46<+tbr> if you need a source client for windows, look at B.U.T.T. (butt.sf.net) or mixxx
2015-08-11 14:16:51<+tbr> or oddcast
2015-08-11 14:23:24< Krzysztof_M> Please sending instruction to my e-mail : poland7@onet.eu
2015-08-11 14:26:27< ph3-der-loewe> I don't think this will work for you.
2015-08-11 14:27:07< ph3-der-loewe> We are here and willing to help. But I don't think anyone will spend his free time by sending you mails.
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2015-08-11 15:37:45< K_M> Please send mi link to config icecast
2015-08-11 15:40:21< K_M> :p
2015-08-11 15:40:32< K_M> :)
2015-08-11 15:40:52<+tbr> do you mean the config file?
2015-08-11 15:40:57<+tbr> or documentation?
2015-08-11 15:41:21< K_M> Change msdos to program
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2015-08-11 15:42:06<+tbr> that doesn't make sense
2015-08-11 16:09:27< K_M> I make new tematic pack stations
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2015-08-11 17:14:32< Krzysztof_M> how configure icecast in windows?
2015-08-11 17:15:28< ph3-der-loewe> 16:16 <+tbr> the configuration is in the installation directory. use Notepad++ (not regular notepad) to edit it. After editing, close the 
2015-08-11 17:15:28< Krzysztof_M> xp
2015-08-11 17:15:31< ph3-der-loewe>              "black window" and restart it
2015-08-11 17:16:52< Krzysztof_M> How application config?
2015-08-11 17:18:47< Krzysztof_M> ??
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2015-08-11 17:23:21< ph3-der-loewe> I'm sorry but I do not really understand your question(s).
2015-08-11 17:23:51< Krzysztof_M> ok.
2015-08-11 17:24:07< Krzysztof_M> Please send me change steps
2015-08-11 17:24:14< Krzysztof_M> in icecast.xml
2015-08-11 17:25:01< ph3-der-loewe> The required config for submitting to the directory is explained here: http://icecast.org/docs/icecast-2.4.1/config-file.html#yp
2015-08-11 17:25:20< ph3-der-loewe> there should also be a example in the example config.
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2015-08-12 03:51:00< ScottSteiner> What video format should I use when using ffmpeg in conjunction with icecast to stream video?
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2015-08-12 04:56:03<+tbr> ScottSteiner: I'd recommend webm. theora works too. 
2015-08-12 04:56:05<+tbr> mmeh
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2015-08-12 10:07:09< ph3-der-loewe> why can't people just tell what TZ they are in?
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2015-08-13 12:37:42< Lina> o/
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2015-08-13 15:01:53< funkenstrahlen> Hey, I have got this configuration file: https://gist.github.com/funkenstrahlen/67415d3c11083b4cd4ae I enabled the pidfile option as I need to monitor the pidfile with monit.
2015-08-13 15:02:02< funkenstrahlen> It does not exist after restarting icecast though
2015-08-13 15:02:11< funkenstrahlen> no errors on icecast restart
2015-08-13 15:02:46< funkenstrahlen> why does it not create the pidfile?
2015-08-13 15:03:13< ph3-der-loewe> can the icecast process (user:group) actually write to that file?
2015-08-13 15:03:25<+tbr> is /var/run/ writeable by {{ icecast2_security_changeowner_user }}
2015-08-13 15:03:33<+tbr> hrhr
2015-08-13 15:04:01< funkenstrahlen> no it is not
2015-08-13 15:04:16<+tbr> that's a likely reason then
2015-08-13 15:04:16< funkenstrahlen> my bad
2015-08-13 15:04:21< ph3-der-loewe> so: icecast does not write a pidfile because it can not write it ;)
2015-08-13 15:04:34<+tbr> it might even complain in error log or on stderr
2015-08-13 15:04:41< funkenstrahlen> I expected it to work because icecast does the change user itself
2015-08-13 15:04:47< funkenstrahlen> so it is root when started
2015-08-13 15:05:02< ph3-der-loewe> that's not the best option anyway.
2015-08-13 15:05:12< ph3-der-loewe> normally the init script takes care of all those things.
2015-08-13 15:05:14< funkenstrahlen> I will fix the access right
2015-08-13 15:05:20< ph3-der-loewe> including writing a pidfile.
2015-08-13 15:05:29<+tbr> also then it can't rm it upon exit (not sure if we do that)
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2015-08-13 19:31:42< stack> hi, is that possible to create a mount point that is always on and streams "silence" in case of no source is available?
2015-08-13 19:33:25< ph3-der-loewe> it's not recommended to stream digital silence (as it causes some problems)
2015-08-13 19:33:26< ph3-der-loewe> but yes.
2015-08-13 19:33:58< ph3-der-loewe> you can use some tool (e.g. ices2) to send a playlist to a mount and then use this one as fallback.
2015-08-13 19:34:05< ph3-der-loewe> look up 'fallback' in the docs. :)
2015-08-13 19:36:06< stack> ph3-der-loewe: my use case is a bit strange, pulseaudio rtp and tunnel works shitty, so I'm experimenting with a local liquidsoap that streams to the icecast server in the living room that has a mplayer http://localhost:8000/foo.mp3, I would like that foo to be always on
2015-08-13 19:36:41< stack> because if I have no output that streams to the server the mplayer on the remote side dies
2015-08-13 19:36:58< ph3-der-loewe> please do NOT use mp3 for anything.
2015-08-13 19:37:15< ph3-der-loewe> also note that icecast is not designed for realtime streaming. so there will be a delay.
2015-08-13 19:37:35< ph3-der-loewe> but.. my statement regarding fallback mounts is still valid.
2015-08-13 19:38:28< stack> I'm on with the delay, why not mp3?
2015-08-13 19:41:00< stack> ph3-der-loewe: so I should create a fallback where I stream silence to? that would probably complicate things... I would have a streamer on the server setted on the fallback mountpoint, is that correct?
2015-08-13 19:41:06< ph3-der-loewe> because it's a bad codec. it's not free, it's of low qualitry, it's not robust to any errors, it's not suppoted, ...
2015-08-13 19:41:18< ph3-der-loewe> yes.
2015-08-13 19:41:58< ph3-der-loewe> I'm off for a moment, will be back in about 2 to 4 toasts ;)
2015-08-13 19:42:16< ph3-der-loewe> have a look at the docs. I'm happy to help when I return.
2015-08-13 19:46:08< stack> ok have a nice toast!
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2015-08-13 20:53:06< ph3-der-loewe> mau.
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2015-08-14 03:39:43< OpenSim-AdminNew> Hi there. Just installed Icecast on my Windows Machine and started Icecast (Console) and the Web Interface, but i wasn't told, what Username and Password is set by Default, so, i don't know, how to log in.   :-D
2015-08-14 03:39:43< OpenSim-AdminNew> Anyone knows the Answer and would tell me ?
2015-08-14 03:49:56<+tbr> admin/hackme
2015-08-14 03:50:05<+tbr> its in icecast.xml
2015-08-14 03:50:13< OpenSim-AdminNew> Really ?   *lol*
2015-08-14 03:50:36<+tbr> yes, because you _really_ should change it
2015-08-14 03:50:53< OpenSim-AdminNew> Well, sure i'll change that.
2015-08-14 03:51:36< OpenSim-AdminNew> I never leave such Things set to it's Default Settings.
2015-08-14 03:52:07< OpenSim-AdminNew> So, thanks. Now, i'm in.   :-)
2015-08-14 03:52:55< OpenSim-AdminNew> Ah, i have to change it in the XML-File, i now understand.   :-D
2015-08-14 03:57:05<+tbr> yes
2015-08-14 03:58:14< OpenSim-AdminNew> ...still have to learn much, and not only about Icecast.
2015-08-14 04:03:10<+tbr> which windows version?
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2015-08-14 09:44:34< Lina> o/
2015-08-14 09:44:58< OpenSim-AdminNew> *waves*
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2015-08-14 10:16:32< lostd> Hello all, what do you do to secure your source client password nowadays?  I've been running with a silly patch that does not accept non-local sources (so that password is irrelevant), and ssh port forwarding localhost:8000.  Better options?
2015-08-14 10:17:07< ph3-der-loewe> current libshout supports TLS.
2015-08-14 10:17:41< ph3-der-loewe> it even supports cert auth (but that's not yet in icecast. we're still working on that, but it's comming soon)
2015-08-14 10:18:06< lostd> Nice, I'll check it out, thanks!
2015-08-14 10:19:41< ph3-der-loewe> also with 2.5 (still beta) we introduced <role>s which allow a much finer way to control what a client is allowed to do.
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2015-08-14 10:49:20< lostd> ph3-der-loewe: you were talking about the client-certificate option in ices not being handled in icecast yet?  this is cool
2015-08-14 10:50:14< ph3-der-loewe> it's more a matter of time to implement it. but yes. for now it's not supported by icecast.
2015-08-14 10:50:51< ph3-der-loewe> The plan was to first roll out the client support and then the uspport in icecast as it will take longer for people to pick up a recent version of the client part than for the server software.
2015-08-14 10:51:35< ph3-der-loewe> (beside some other (technical) arguemnts to implement the client part first)
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2015-08-14 11:01:05< lostd> Makes sense.  I'll try the TLS code.  Does that mean that listeners have to use TLS too?
2015-08-14 11:01:17< ph3-der-loewe> no.
2015-08-14 11:01:20< lostd> cool
2015-08-14 11:02:06< ph3-der-loewe> you can use TLS sockets (HTTP/HTTPS seperated) and with 2.5 you can also  used mixed sockets (that is HTTP upgrade), both is supported by libshout.
2015-08-14 11:03:06< lostd> that's starttls? ok, great
2015-08-14 11:05:41< ph3-der-loewe> there is no STARTTLS in HTTP, but it's very similar.
2015-08-14 11:06:02< ph3-der-loewe> e.g. it allows vhosting without SNI.
2015-08-14 11:06:13< ph3-der-loewe> or setting other parameters as well.
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2015-08-14 21:05:22< unique311> hello everybody
2015-08-14 21:05:33< unique311> I have a question about icecast
2015-08-14 21:06:41< unique311> hello
2015-08-14 21:06:57< ph3-der-loewe> just ask it :)
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2015-08-14 21:09:58< ddndukk> hi anyone here, especially icecast devs
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2015-08-14 21:11:06< ph3-der-loewe> just ask your question.
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2015-08-14 21:14:17< unique311> did i get an answer, i was kicked
2015-08-14 21:14:24< ph3-der-loewe> 21:06 < ph3-der-loewe> just ask it :)
2015-08-14 21:14:35< unique311> i have a vps
2015-08-14 21:14:41< unique311> i setup icecast on it already
2015-08-14 21:14:45< unique311> radio is working
2015-08-14 21:14:55< unique311> i need to setup another radio station on the same icecast
2015-08-14 21:15:01< unique311> is there documentation
2015-08-14 21:15:10< unique311> I did google and came up with nothing
2015-08-14 21:15:19< ph3-der-loewe> sure. you can just connect another mount point.
2015-08-14 21:15:25< ph3-der-loewe> don't need to configure anything specific.
2015-08-14 21:15:40< ph3-der-loewe> just connect another mount as you did with the first.
2015-08-14 21:15:57< unique311> but that will show up on the same icecast control panel?
2015-08-14 21:16:02< unique311> is that the only way?
2015-08-14 21:16:09< ddndukk> anybody succeed using proxy behind icecast ? 
2015-08-14 21:16:23< ph3-der-loewe> sure it will be (as long as you don't hide it). what's the problem with that?
2015-08-14 21:16:34< ddndukk> i asking about proxying source. not listeners. listeners are okay
2015-08-14 21:16:41< ph3-der-loewe> ddndukk: please define 'behind icecast'
2015-08-14 21:16:44< unique311> I wanted 2 different web control panels for the stations
2015-08-14 21:16:52< ddndukk> nginx+ icecast 
2015-08-14 21:16:55< ph3-der-loewe> unique311: why?
2015-08-14 21:17:04< unique311> 2 different clients.
2015-08-14 21:17:24< ph3-der-loewe> ddndukk: do you try to get a another stream as source for your icecast?
2015-08-14 21:17:30< ddndukk> nginx+icecast: client listeners connect to icecast via nginx proxy. source should connect too
2015-08-14 21:17:48< unique311> 2 different stations, 2 different clients. 
2015-08-14 21:17:58< ph3-der-loewe> unique311: you can have diffrent source passwords, and as long as they log into using the source credentials they will only have acces to what they 'own'.
2015-08-14 21:18:10< unique311> ok.
2015-08-14 21:18:10< ph3-der-loewe> or you can of cause run two diffrent processes.
2015-08-14 21:18:15< ph3-der-loewe> OR you can alter the xslt.
2015-08-14 21:18:18< ph3-der-loewe> or you can....
2015-08-14 21:18:21< ph3-der-loewe> or you can...
2015-08-14 21:18:22< unique311> lol
2015-08-14 21:18:27< unique311> awww man..
2015-08-14 21:18:27< ph3-der-loewe> the list goes on for a while.
2015-08-14 21:18:33< ddndukk> the problem is icecast source client libshoutcast does HTTP SOURCE command, its doesn't understood because missing in HTTP rfc standart
2015-08-14 21:18:34<+tbr> ddndukk: reverse proxying of icecast is not supported.
2015-08-14 21:19:01< ddndukk> tbr: icecast working fine behind proxy in listener only mode
2015-08-14 21:19:02< ddndukk> :)
2015-08-14 21:19:34< ddndukk> tbr: if icecast source client libshout can do HTTP PUT instead of HTTP SOURCE - i think source client are okay too
2015-08-14 21:19:35<+tbr> ddndukk: we know of a pile of corner cases that break, this means we do NOT support reverse proxying
2015-08-14 21:19:46 * ph3-der-loewe raises a sign: Offering solution for EURO. (this is *mostly* a joke)
2015-08-14 21:20:19< ddndukk> tbr: it very bad because you can't do virtual hosting and co-locate on single IP  website+icecast
2015-08-14 21:20:22<+tbr> ddndukk: Icecast supports PUT, unless you are running an ancient version. This does not change the fact that reverse proxying is NOT a supported use case
2015-08-14 21:20:27< unique311> ok. 2 different source passwords....any documentation on this.?
2015-08-14 21:20:51< unique311> or 2 different processes
2015-08-14 21:21:21<+tbr> ddndukk: traditionally this is being done by differentiating by mount point. just as we explained to unique311, there is no reason to e.g. expose the XSLT if you don't want people to be aware of all streams.
2015-08-14 21:21:31< ddndukk> tbr: proxying is really a solution to this problem i described.
2015-08-14 21:21:52< ddndukk> tbr: i need to host website complete different from icecast
2015-08-14 21:21:53<+tbr> ddndukk: I understand reverse proxying very well.
2015-08-14 21:22:17< unique311> ?
2015-08-14 21:22:22<+tbr> ddndukk: this does NOT change the fact that *currently* Icecast does NOT support reverse proxying.
2015-08-14 21:22:56< ddndukk> tbr: but has only single IP. so proxy is fine if only websites (virtual hosts). icecast works fine if i proxy it's listeners. but i can't setup icecast source to live behind proxy :)
2015-08-14 21:23:10< ph3-der-loewe> unique311: http://icecast.org/docs/icecast-2.4.1/auth.html http://icecast.org/docs/icecast-2.4.1/config-file.html#mountsettings
2015-08-14 21:23:30<+tbr> ddndukk: we can not help you with unsupported and untested use cases. sorry.
2015-08-14 21:23:49< ddndukk> tbr: i asking about future roadmap
2015-08-14 21:23:51< unique311> thank you, kind sir...you are a gentlemen and a scholar..... @ph2-der-loewe
2015-08-14 21:23:57< ddndukk> tbr: roadmap of icecast
2015-08-14 21:24:06<+tbr> ddndukk: if you are lucky, find a source client that supports PUT and run that against 2.4.2
2015-08-14 21:25:02< ddndukk> tbr: i can fixup icecast manually but you won't accept my code in main devel icecast tree. so i asking about you roadmap to this feature
2015-08-14 21:25:03< ph3-der-loewe> unique311: just on a slow line and having two discussions the same time in a single channel is not helping. But I'm willing to help. :)
2015-08-14 21:25:08<+tbr> ddndukk: yes, in the long run we will likely support some aspects of reverse proxying and fix some of the problems. If this will be in 2.5.0, I do not know at this point.
2015-08-14 21:25:37< ph3-der-loewe> ddndukk: have a look at your IRC client. thank you.
2015-08-14 21:27:13< ddndukk> tbr: long time before i ask you (and other devs here) about listener connections here (icecast stats). you point me to bugtracker to create ticket about that. i created ticket. so may i create ticket about this particular feature?
2015-08-14 21:28:08< ph3-der-loewe> ddndukk: .
2015-08-14 21:28:12<+tbr> ddndukk: I think there are tickets about reverse proxying. what in particular would you like to file?
2015-08-14 21:28:15< ddndukk> ph3-der-loewe: what's wrong with web irc?
2015-08-14 21:28:43< ph3-der-loewe> ddndukk: I think nothing. just that you don't pay attention to it beside for the channel.
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2015-08-14 21:39:53< mensgis> hey all! I just observed that the cpu-usage of an icecast-server is heaaavily reduced when used behind a haproxy.. How does this come? o.o 
2015-08-14 21:40:39< ph3-der-loewe> please define 'heaaavily' (also usr+sys) and 'haproxy'.
2015-08-14 21:42:41< mensgis> without haproxy icecast consumes about 6-8% usr cpu per 100 users. with haproy sys+usr is constant at 2% in total.. (that is with haproxy running on another machine)
2015-08-14 21:43:14< ph3-der-loewe> so, did sys or usr reduce?
2015-08-14 21:43:27< mensgis> usr.. sys stayed as low as before
2015-08-14 21:45:33< mensgis> my assumption was that using a proxy which does not cache by itself should make no difference
2015-08-14 21:45:36< ph3-der-loewe> ok, now tell us what you mean by 'haproxy'
2015-08-14 21:46:44< mensgis> haproxy is a common loadbalancer which just pipes one inbound-port to an outbound-port which might be as well on a different ip
2015-08-14 21:47:00< ph3-der-loewe> a reverse proxy (ha, we had that just a few min ago...) should not change stuff a lot. Maybe a bit by altering timing. I more suspect that your proxy is not keeping up or something so icecast really has less load.
2015-08-14 21:47:35< mensgis> by keeping up you mean it acts like a bottleneck?
2015-08-14 21:47:42< ph3-der-loewe> also 100 listeners to a random (I guess: audio only) stream doesn't qualify for 6% of CPU time on a modern (read: less then ten year old) system.
2015-08-14 21:47:51< ph3-der-loewe> yes.
2015-08-14 21:49:26< mensgis> hm.. then maybe my configuration sucks.. I have 5 mountpoints.. and the server is a digital ocean droplet with a Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2650L v3 @ 1.80GHz
2015-08-14 21:49:57< ph3-der-loewe> URL of your server?
2015-08-14 21:50:10< mensgis> stream.deg-fanradio.com:8000/
2015-08-14 21:50:54< mensgis> currently it's just dns round robbin balanced.. the os is a unmodified ubuntu 14.04 server
2015-08-14 21:51:34< mensgis> ./input-stream is the original stream which I am just decoding to the actual used ones
2015-08-14 21:53:07< ph3-der-loewe> 42 clients at the moment.
2015-08-14 21:53:16< mensgis> thats one of 3 servers
2015-08-14 21:54:27< mensgis> 4% user at the moment on this machine
2015-08-14 21:55:01< ph3-der-loewe> I suspect that you will just loose listeners in that proxy.
2015-08-14 21:55:19< ph3-der-loewe> and I'm not really sure why you hink you need it.
2015-08-14 21:55:39< mensgis> hmm even if they are still counted in icecast? 
2015-08-14 21:56:35< mensgis> My intention was to distribute the bandwidth more evenly.. of course this is nonsense.. a reversproxy does not help with that.. That's why I removed it again.. but while using that I discovered the cpu-usage shrinked
2015-08-14 21:57:58< ph3-der-loewe> ok, so the proxy setup is gone anway, you are just not understanding the effect and want to find out about it out of curiosity?
2015-08-14 21:59:06< mensgis> yup.. because if icecast is just bad at handling connections to different endpoints maybe even a local reverse-proxy (eg on the same machine) would help OR i did something wrong with icecast/the os in the first place
2015-08-14 22:00:27< ph3-der-loewe> it's a strange effect. It should stay about the same. you are right with that.
2015-08-14 22:00:38< ph3-der-loewe> but it's also hard to find out exactly.
2015-08-14 22:00:54<+tbr> mensgis: there are icecast deployments which in peak serve 20k users per machine... there is no reason for it to consume inordinate resources over such minute amounts.
2015-08-14 22:05:03< mensgis> hmhmhm.. :/ might updating icecast to a more recent version help?
2015-08-14 22:05:18< mensgis> im running 2.3.3
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2015-08-14 22:06:38< ph3-der-loewe> mensgis: so there is still a real problem to solv?
2015-08-14 22:07:35< mensgis> This was just a test-game.. when the real icehockey season starts we will have about 3k listeners, not 100 ^^ it's okay if the cpu-usage doesn't scale linear though
2015-08-14 22:08:07< ph3-der-loewe> ah, you wer refering to the high load.
2015-08-14 22:08:28<+tbr> mensgis: look at the load tests
2015-08-14 22:09:01 * ph3-der-loewe nods to that, was also about to suggest that. also thinking if ther eis any way to profile as the load seems to be a bit high.
2015-08-14 22:09:07< mensgis> http://icecast.org/loadtest/1/ that one, tbr?
2015-08-14 22:09:12<+tbr> yes
2015-08-14 22:09:26<+tbr> keep in mind it's a virtual machine
2015-08-14 22:10:00< mensgis> with, in theory, reserved resources.. but yes, you are right ^^
2015-08-14 22:10:14< mensgis> it makes sense to run it from the same network, right?
2015-08-14 22:10:20< ph3-der-loewe> tbr: yes. I still suspect the scheduler is doing something strange. that is why I asked for both sys+usr.
2015-08-14 22:11:14< ph3-der-loewe> like high sys could indicate that the scheduler has problems of pushing out the data.
2015-08-14 22:11:42<+tbr> yes
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2015-08-14 22:46:01< ph3-der-loewe> in good bye
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2015-08-14 23:42:13< DelphiWorld> yo icecasters
2015-08-14 23:42:33< DelphiWorld> is there any tool that could let me download the entire yp directory?
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2015-08-15 11:01:27< Lina> o/
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2015-08-15 15:12:31< qwebirc19679> Bonjour  il y a quelqu'un ? 
2015-08-15 15:13:35< ph3-der-loewe> (I think english or german will work better)
2015-08-15 15:14:34< qwebirc19679> ok  I need help to configure icecast 
2015-08-15 15:15:34< ph3-der-loewe> so what exactly is your question?
2015-08-15 15:21:50< qwebirc19679> I have put icecast 2.4 to Sam broadcaster ,but I don't arrive configure it , before I had icecast wi 32 exe , it walk very well ,that is différent , all password I'll put isn't not good , a message tell error 401 ,  
2015-08-15 15:23:57< ph3-der-loewe> (going slowly to avoid language problems. please try to answer in a simple way)
2015-08-15 15:24:04< ph3-der-loewe> ok, so you installed icecast on windows. right? [yes/no]
2015-08-15 15:24:59< qwebirc19679> yes
2015-08-15 15:25:30< ph3-der-loewe> you found your icecast.xml yet?
2015-08-15 15:25:48< qwebirc19679> yes
2015-08-15 15:26:05< ph3-der-loewe> and you changed the passwords in your icecast.xml?
2015-08-15 15:27:31< qwebirc19679> I try to change , but it is difficult
2015-08-15 15:27:56< ph3-der-loewe> why?
2015-08-15 15:29:40< qwebirc19679> after I changed in my icecast .xml , In Sam B isn't working 
2015-08-15 15:30:37< ph3-der-loewe> have you added spaces around the password? like '<source-password> hackme </source-password>'
2015-08-15 15:31:06< qwebirc19679> no 
2015-08-15 15:32:42< ph3-der-loewe> have you restarted icecast after changeing the passwords?
2015-08-15 15:34:20< qwebirc19679> no restarted Where ? this Icecast is different from icecast 32 
2015-08-15 15:35:21< ph3-der-loewe> you just got the current version from icecast.org, right?
2015-08-15 15:37:42< qwebirc19679> yes current version 2.4 
2015-08-15 15:38:05< ph3-der-loewe> oh, so you got a console window when icecast is running?
2015-08-15 15:39:47< qwebirc19679> no , the other 
2015-08-15 15:40:04< ph3-der-loewe> 'the other'?
2015-08-15 15:41:15< qwebirc19679> I havn't console with this , 
2015-08-15 15:42:25< ph3-der-loewe> so how do you know icecast is running?
2015-08-15 15:44:39< qwebirc19679> ok I have a console , but when I click on ,it is black 
2015-08-15 15:44:57< ph3-der-loewe> ok, sounds go.
2015-08-15 15:45:03< ph3-der-loewe> just close it and restart icecast.
2015-08-15 15:48:27< qwebirc19679> wait close it , I haven't open it , so when I open it  I cann't put any word into 
2015-08-15 15:49:30< ph3-der-loewe> sure. just click [X] to close the window and then start icecast again.
2015-08-15 15:49:38< ph3-der-loewe> tbr: /
2015-08-15 15:50:01< qwebirc19679> ok 
2015-08-15 15:51:44< qwebirc19679> after 
2015-08-15 15:55:22< qwebirc19679> it don't work , In Sam when I changed the password 
2015-08-15 15:57:01<+tbr> hmmm?
2015-08-15 15:57:26< qwebirc19679> Do you want do a capture d'ecran ?
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2015-08-15 16:00:55< ph3-der-loewe> tbr: he is problems with icecast on win. and I'm not much into the platform.
2015-08-15 16:01:13< ph3-der-loewe> tbr: the problem seems to be changeing passwords, so it's not good to ask for the config file.
2015-08-15 16:01:42<+tbr> qwebirc19679: cmd.exe black window with text saying that icecast is started == icecast is running | DO NOT CLOSE IT
2015-08-15 16:01:58< qwebirc19679> ok
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2015-08-15 16:03:58< qwebirc19679> Hi Luuuciano 
2015-08-15 16:06:17<+tbr> qwebirc19679: so do you still have a problem?
2015-08-15 16:09:36< qwebirc19679> yes  , I am looking at yours conseils and tell you after , I do again the password in  icecast xml  
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2015-08-15 16:24:18< qwebirc19679> Hi  are there ?
2015-08-15 16:24:25< qwebirc19679> you
2015-08-15 16:25:25<+tbr> yes, we are all here
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2015-08-15 16:35:51< qwebirc19679> In Sam encoder I put the password off d'authentification "admin " as usename than the password I've maked " doublasjim"  and after i do ok , that is the same password off the icecast .xml , and I record it , But it don't work  
2015-08-15 16:37:05< ph3-der-loewe> oh, you need to use the 'source' password and user, not the 'admin' password and user!
2015-08-15 16:45:12< qwebirc19679> ok  when i put  as usename "source " and  as pasword "hackme " it work , but that isn't that i wrote in icecast.xml 
2015-08-15 16:47:22< ph3-der-loewe> you should normally not change the username for the source. and if it dhasn't picked up the changes you likely need to restart it.
2015-08-15 16:51:57< qwebirc19679> <authentication>
2015-08-15 16:53:02< qwebirc19679> ok I try that 
2015-08-15 16:59:33< qwebirc19679> Ok I don't know the encoder in Samb  work , I don't know is well , but now the relay statique it don't work ,same  I put "source and hackme 
2015-08-15 17:00:51< ph3-der-loewe> the relay station?
2015-08-15 17:01:49< qwebirc19679> statistic relays in SAMB 
2015-08-15 17:09:03< qwebirc19679> you don't understand  ,In SAMB there is two things 1) the encoder and 2) the statistic relay  to fix , you see in icecast xml  near authentification 
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2015-08-15 23:55:06< lns> How does the Icecast team react to people using the term, "livestream", referring to how Icecast works?
2015-08-15 23:56:53< ph3-der-loewe> hm?
2015-08-15 23:57:31< ph3-der-loewe> It's live and it's about streaming, so I think it matches.
2015-08-15 23:59:00< lns> ph3-der-loewe, I agree =) Just wondering if this new 'slang' sat well, heh
2015-08-15 23:59:30< lns> "Stream", "Broadcast", "Webcast", "Livestream".
2015-08-16 00:00:02< ph3-der-loewe> I think livestream is a term about 100 years old ;)
2015-08-16 00:00:20< lns> really?
2015-08-16 00:04:16< ph3-der-loewe> 'n the early 1920s, George O. Squier was granted patents for a system for the transmission and distribution of signals over electrical lines[2] which was the technical basis for what later became Muzak, a technology streaming continuous music to commercial customers without the use of radio.'
2015-08-16 00:04:21< ph3-der-loewe> *In
2015-08-16 00:04:41< ph3-der-loewe> yes ;)
2015-08-16 00:06:18< ph3-der-loewe> I also like it because it's gernic.
2015-08-16 00:06:27< ph3-der-loewe> *generic
2015-08-16 00:07:32< ph3-der-loewe> it doesn't relate to any media, topology, use case, users and roles, business model, technology, ecosystem, political system, ....
2015-08-16 00:08:12< ph3-der-loewe> it's one of the few english terms which just pack the *concept* into a nice single term.
2015-08-16 00:41:49< lns> =)
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2015-08-16 18:38:22< barnacle> hi smj
2015-08-16 18:38:33< smj> hello barnacle, I have a question about an icecast configuration
2015-08-16 18:38:59< barnacle> well i probably cannot answer it, but if you pose it out loud here maybe someone will respond helpfully
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2015-08-16 18:39:34< smj> my first question is, if I change the icecast.xml, specifically a mount point, and then kill -HUP the icecast.pid, will the mount point be updated immediately?
2015-08-16 18:41:14<+tbr> smj: yes, but we don't disconnect sources or listeners. it will apply to any forthcoming actions though. best to try it for yourself.
2015-08-16 18:42:07< smj> OK, this might explain the behaviour I'm seeing where it sometimes seems to switch the mount and sometimes the old mount persists.
2015-08-16 18:42:43< smj> A stop/start or restart of the process definitely makes the mount change.
2015-08-16 18:43:08< ph3-der-loewe> note that mounts are created as they are needed.
2015-08-16 18:43:31< smj> OK, let me describe my config and maybe I'm doing things wrong.
2015-08-16 18:43:44< ph3-der-loewe> so if the mount does not or no longer exist in the config that is no problem. it's just not updated in any way and basically runs with defaults.
2015-08-16 18:43:44<+tbr> a mount without config has defaults applied
2015-08-16 18:43:53< smj> I have two servers, one for a group of sources and one as a master server.
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2015-08-16 18:44:27< smj> the sources connect to the first server to test their streams.  At a particular time, I have a script update the master server to switch to their mount.
2015-08-16 18:44:40< smj> for the most part this seems to work, but is there a better way for me to do this?
2015-08-16 18:45:05<+tbr> hmmm, I think I see where you are going with this
2015-08-16 18:45:57<+tbr> the master has a per mount relay of the other server and you are changing where that points?
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2015-08-16 18:46:51< smj> thats right, I relay from the source server. 
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2015-08-16 18:47:35< smj> so the source server confg never changes and sources can connect to it at any time to test their streams and prepare for their time slot.
2015-08-16 18:48:05< smj> the master server has a relay config block and a script updates the /mount point when it is time for a particular source to come in
2015-08-16 18:48:08<+tbr> yeah, I think the missing bit in your case is to force transition of the relay listener
2015-08-16 18:48:31<+tbr> why does it change the /mount?
2015-08-16 18:48:40< smj> right and sometimes a -HUP works in this case.  but a stop/start works 100%
2015-08-16 18:49:00<+tbr> could you pastebin the master server config. specifically relay and mount parts
2015-08-16 18:49:35< smj> thank you for helping me with this, let me sanitize it quickly.
2015-08-16 18:50:14< ph3-der-loewe> tbr: can you highlight me if there is something you need me for? so I can concentrate mor on this paper again and not need to read all of the chat.
2015-08-16 18:50:38<+tbr> ph3-der-loewe: sure, I don't think we'll need you. go study
2015-08-16 18:51:31< ph3-der-loewe> go writing ;)
2015-08-16 18:51:37< ph3-der-loewe> ok, thank you for your help.
2015-08-16 18:52:14< smj> http://sdf.org/icecast1.html
2015-08-16 18:52:24< smj> here is an example of the 'source/test' server
2015-08-16 18:52:48< smj> http://sdf.org/icecast2.html
2015-08-16 18:52:57< smj> here is an example of the 'master' server
2015-08-16 18:53:32< smj> so a script updates the mount-name at a particular time when that source is up and -HUP's the master server.
2015-08-16 18:55:46< smj> Sorry, http://sdf.org/icecast2.html is now updated.
2015-08-16 18:55:59 * tbr was about to say
2015-08-16 18:57:03<+tbr> ok, so you only change the <relay> not the <mount> on the master side
2015-08-16 18:58:05<+tbr> what you are seeing is if the person for which the timeslot is ending doesn't disconnect on time, then the master stream will still have that content
2015-08-16 18:58:54<+tbr> what you could do is at the same time command the source server to transfer the listener connection coming from the master to the next person
2015-08-16 18:59:02<+tbr> there is an API for that
2015-08-16 18:59:15< smj> I just updated icecast2.html again
2015-08-16 18:59:47< smj> So after the relay section I have the <mount> section for the local-mount name
2015-08-16 19:00:01<+tbr> that doesn't make sense as <relay> uses local-mount /master not /source
2015-08-16 19:00:33< smj> I'm sorry, that is my typo in sanitizing.. they are both the same in the config.
2015-08-16 19:01:09<+tbr> anyway, the easiest modification to the existing setup is to move the listener
2015-08-16 19:01:26< smj> so I have a mount-name and local-mount that is static, the only thing that changes is the mount in the relay to point to the source server mount I want to stream at a given time.
2015-08-16 19:01:49< smj> Oh, OK.  Is there a tutorial on moving listeners?
2015-08-16 19:02:02<+tbr> http://icecast.org/docs/icecast-2.4.1/admin-interface.html#move-clients-listeners
2015-08-16 19:02:28< smj> OK, through the web interface.
2015-08-16 19:02:56<+tbr> the example uses the raw API
2015-08-16 19:03:08<+tbr> which will return XML
2015-08-16 19:03:49<+tbr> if you append .xsl to the path, then you will get HTML back
2015-08-16 19:04:08<+tbr> http://192.168.1.10:8000/admin/moveclients vs http://192.168.1.10:8000/admin/moveclients.xsl
2015-08-16 19:04:23<+tbr> parameters are the same ?...
2015-08-16 19:05:30<+tbr> all you need to do is add a call to "curl $URL" to your script
2015-08-16 19:05:41< smj> Great, I'll read up on this and try working through the admin interface
2015-08-16 19:05:54< smj> thank you for the help and clarification
2015-08-16 19:06:34<+tbr> URL=http://192.168.1.10:8000/admin/moveclients?mount=$OLDMOUNT&destination=$NEWMOUNT
2015-08-16 19:07:26< smj> perfect
2015-08-16 19:07:40<+tbr> please note that the streams MUST have absolutely identical parameters. As you are using an unsupported streaming format. If things don't match, horrible-things™ will happen to your listeners.
2015-08-16 19:07:59< smj> right, mp3 .. does bitrate matter?
2015-08-16 19:08:36<+tbr> probably. testing this is an exercise for you.
2015-08-16 19:08:43< smj> sure
2015-08-16 19:08:49< smj> Thank you again!
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2015-08-16 19:10:00<+tbr> things would blow up for sure at sample rate mismatch or mono/stereo
2015-08-16 19:10:09<+tbr> but he left already anyway
2015-08-16 19:10:14< barnacle> i'll tell him
2015-08-16 19:10:19 * barnacle is his minion
2015-08-16 19:10:22<+tbr> hehe
2015-08-16 19:10:32 * monkey1911 is smj minion as well
2015-08-16 19:10:37< ph3-der-loewe> bitrate is encoded in the header of the frame.
2015-08-16 19:10:46< ph3-der-loewe> so it may make a diffrence.
2015-08-16 19:11:03<+tbr> bitrate is hard to say. might confuse some decoders if things change suddenly
2015-08-16 19:11:06< ph3-der-loewe> also it depend on the encoder.
2015-08-16 19:11:13< ph3-der-loewe> exactly.
2015-08-16 19:11:32<+tbr> also change from sbr to abr or vbr and vice versa might screw with things
2015-08-16 19:12:21< ph3-der-loewe> and of cause that frames may or may not depend on ach other.
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2015-08-16 19:12:36< ph3-der-loewe> (you know the mplayer warning 'can\'t rewind stream by nnn bits' ;)
2015-08-16 19:12:38< smj> thank you tbr.
2015-08-16 19:13:04<+tbr> np, yq
2015-08-16 19:13:05<+tbr> yw
2015-08-16 19:13:18< smj> I think what I need to do is homogenize the stream coming from the disparate sources.  I understand that icecast is just relaying what it gets and that is not it's responsibility
2015-08-16 19:13:29<+tbr> yes
2015-08-16 19:13:31< smj> the sources all use different OSes, clients, et cetera
2015-08-16 19:13:58<+tbr> if you want to explore something more elaborate at the cost of reencoding the stream. look at liquidsoap and its 'harbour' functionality
2015-08-16 19:14:14< smj> and it is sometimes difficult to ensure each source is going to be precisely the same (they are all individuals)
2015-08-16 19:14:21< smj> good suggestion on using liquidsoap
2015-08-16 19:14:30<+tbr> it has a bit of a learning curve
2015-08-16 19:14:35< theotheredbaron> heh
2015-08-16 19:14:39< theotheredbaron> yes, it does :)
2015-08-16 19:14:51<+tbr> yes, that's gross understatement
2015-08-16 19:16:31<+tbr> there are also other options where you'd use a transcoding process like avconv or ffmpeg and push that back to the source server to a outgoing mountpoint
2015-08-16 19:17:23<+tbr> /outgoing then needs a fallback to a /loop of e.g. AWGN at -90dB for the transitions
2015-08-16 19:18:12<+tbr> and then you just kill and start the avconv/ffmpeg process to change content
2015-08-16 19:18:51<+tbr> as then you have 100% control and can ensure that /loop matches /outgoing parameters so no transition hickups
2015-08-16 19:18:55< smj> and that would allow for an icecast server to just continually run without even a config reload.  That is ideal
2015-08-16 19:19:51< smj> during a reload, are listeners stopped and it is up to their client to continue/play?
2015-08-16 19:19:53<+tbr> note that if the dj disappears midstream things break, so that mount should also have a fallback. 
2015-08-16 19:20:09<+tbr> what do you mean by reload?
2015-08-16 19:20:43<+tbr> if you mean HUP, then no, we don't do anything to existing listener connections
2015-08-16 19:20:45< smj> a -HUP to the icecast.pid
2015-08-16 19:20:54< smj> rather than a stop/start
2015-08-16 19:21:11<+tbr> a stop kills the process, everything is gone, you nuked it from orbit
2015-08-16 19:21:25< smj> stop/start definitely drops listeners (obviously) but a config reload through a -HUP?
2015-08-16 19:21:32<+tbr> no, it won't
2015-08-16 19:21:35< smj> OK great
2015-08-16 19:22:01< smj> I think I have plenty of good information to go with to resolve my issues
2015-08-16 19:22:31<+tbr> as an interim solution you can try the movelisteners thing
2015-08-16 19:23:04<+tbr> but likely you'll want to introduce a known to be robust transcoder somewhere in the chain
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2015-08-16 19:45:05< smj> I agree tbr, thank you
2015-08-16 19:45:18< smj> bye for now
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2015-08-18 11:59:31< qwebirc81417> hello
2015-08-18 11:59:50< qwebirc81417> after an upgrade/downgrade my ssl doesn't work anymore
2015-08-18 12:00:07< qwebirc81417> were running debian and we tried to update to 2.4
2015-08-18 12:00:18< qwebirc81417> but there was no ssl support so we reverted back to 2.3.1
2015-08-18 12:00:41< qwebirc81417> we also have an SSL cert from an AC wich works on nginx
2015-08-18 12:01:01< qwebirc81417> we tried to use the same pem file as ssl-certifcate etc
2015-08-18 12:01:20< ph3-der-loewe> I think debian removed the TLS support for some reason.
2015-08-18 12:01:22< qwebirc81417> we copied to another .pem file with the rights for icecast
2015-08-18 12:01:34< ph3-der-loewe> upstream icecast supports TLS nice and well.
2015-08-18 12:01:40< qwebirc81417> jeah
2015-08-18 12:01:46< qwebirc81417> but it worked before on 2,3,1
2015-08-18 12:01:58< qwebirc81417> thats why we reverted back
2015-08-18 12:02:04< ph3-der-loewe> maybe debian still had TLS support enabled in that version.
2015-08-18 12:02:23< qwebirc81417> however we dit install an new AC cert today
2015-08-18 12:02:40< qwebirc81417> ldd /usr/bin/icecast2 | grep ssl         libssl.so.1.0.0 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libssl.so.1.0.0 (0x00007f2ca076d000)
2015-08-18 12:03:24< qwebirc81417> icecast is version 2,3,2\
2015-08-18 12:03:44<+tbr> use that be happy: https://wiki.xiph.org/Icecast_Server/Installing_latest_version_%28official_Xiph_repositories%29
2015-08-18 12:03:45< ph3-der-loewe> yes, and I think it isn't with 2.4 from the repo.
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2015-08-18 12:04:32<+tbr> as stated in the documentation icecast expects private and public key in _one_ file
2015-08-18 12:05:20<+tbr> also if there is a 2.3.1 package, then your debian is probably older than ancient
2015-08-18 12:07:34< qwebirc81417> tbr: true, were in the middle of an system upgrade. next thing on the list is to upgrade debian :)
2015-08-18 12:09:06< qwebirc81417> and maybe that is the case
2015-08-18 12:10:50<+tbr> I mean, I think I keep squeeze still around in the official xiph.org packages, but even that is already very dated
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2015-08-18 12:14:19< qwebirc81417> true
2015-08-18 12:14:26< qwebirc81417> we're running wheezy
2015-08-18 12:15:03<+tbr> then just follow the wiki instructions and be happy
2015-08-18 12:36:04< qwebirc81417> hm i think i should combine the server key etc
2015-08-18 12:36:09< qwebirc81417> i'm having a look into it
2015-08-18 12:36:10< qwebirc81417> thanx!
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2015-08-18 13:25:23 * ph3-der-loewe waves to edoardo.
2015-08-18 13:25:32 * edoardo waves back
2015-08-18 13:25:38< edoardo> HELLOOO!!!
2015-08-18 13:27:01 * ph3-der-loewe does a step backword.
2015-08-18 13:28:07 * edoardo wonders why ph3-der-loewe is stepping back. I had to scream very loud to be heard over the whole Europe
2015-08-18 13:29:02 * ph3-der-loewe normall tells people in the train that they don't need to shout as it's called /tele/phone, so the phone is doing it for them.
2015-08-18 13:30:30< edoardo> ayy
2015-08-18 13:31:01< ph3-der-loewe> most of those people doesn't understand it. But I think that kind of proves my point on them ;)
2015-08-18 13:31:28< edoardo> IT'S QUESTION TIME!
2015-08-18 13:31:42< ph3-der-loewe> mau?
2015-08-18 13:31:57< edoardo> is it possible to have a logfile of what happened sent somewhere when a client dies?
2015-08-18 13:32:11< edoardo> there's an option to execute a script if the mount closes
2015-08-18 13:32:29< ph3-der-loewe> yes, that's what you got.
2015-08-18 13:32:32< edoardo> but meh, it's just a simple script call and i don't know how to get my precious data
2015-08-18 13:32:58< edoardo> since my server will be full of clients just sending the latest x rows of the log isn't a viable way
2015-08-18 13:34:13< ph3-der-loewe> there are some args as well as some env vars.
2015-08-18 13:34:20< ph3-der-loewe> exact set depends on your icecast version.
2015-08-18 13:34:39< edoardo> hang on
2015-08-18 13:34:49< ph3-der-loewe> write a dummy script that does something like '{ echo "$@"; env; } > dump'
2015-08-18 13:34:54< edoardo> Version 	Icecast 2.3.3-kh11
2015-08-18 13:35:00< ph3-der-loewe> that will give you a overview of what you got.
2015-08-18 13:35:05< ph3-der-loewe> oh...
2015-08-18 13:35:09< edoardo> is that old?
2015-08-18 13:35:15< ph3-der-loewe> I have no idea. it's -kh....
2015-08-18 13:35:32< edoardo> is it a fork?
2015-08-18 13:35:52< edoardo> yep
2015-08-18 13:37:46< ph3-der-loewe> yes. it's a fork and an old one so there are significant differneces.
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2015-08-18 13:38:27< edoardo> why do they always have to fuck up
2015-08-18 13:38:38< edoardo> with useless packages
2015-08-18 13:39:03< ph3-der-loewe> Just a random guess: debian-multimedia?
2015-08-18 13:39:19< edoardo> yep...
2015-08-18 13:39:58< edoardo> let me delete this fork
2015-08-18 13:40:16 * ph3-der-loewe nods: for some unknown reason debian-multimedia ships -kh with the same package name as debian ships icecast.
2015-08-18 13:40:44< ph3-der-loewe> so people often do cross-grade without noticing and then something random fails.
2015-08-18 13:41:45< edoardo> thanks debian
2015-08-18 13:42:08< edoardo> deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org jessie main non-free found the fucker
2015-08-18 13:42:17< ph3-der-loewe> it's not debian.
2015-08-18 13:42:25< ph3-der-loewe> debian-multimedia is a independed project.
2015-08-18 13:42:32< edoardo> oh, right
2015-08-18 13:42:36< edoardo> it changed name iirc
2015-08-18 13:42:44< ph3-der-loewe> so debian can not even fix it.
2015-08-18 13:43:42< edoardo> Version
2015-08-18 13:43:43< edoardo>             Icecast 2.4.0
2015-08-18 13:43:47< edoardo> this looks more suitable
2015-08-18 13:44:32< ph3-der-loewe> better :)
2015-08-18 13:44:51< edoardo> yeah
2015-08-18 13:45:31< edoardo> so when icecast calls a script it adds some env variables with additional data?
2015-08-18 13:47:19< ph3-der-loewe> yes. as well as some args. but it depends on your version.
2015-08-18 13:47:32< ph3-der-loewe> we improved that a lot.
2015-08-18 13:47:54< ph3-der-loewe> I think there is a ticketl...
2015-08-18 13:47:59< edoardo> didn't know about that
2015-08-18 13:48:00< edoardo> nice
2015-08-18 13:49:12< ph3-der-loewe> https://trac.xiph.org/ticket/1354
2015-08-18 13:49:17< InformBot> https://trac.xiph.org/ticket/1354 , Icecast 2.5.0, rich_d_thomas@hotmail.com->dm8tbr, closed, pass stream_name and stream_description to on-dis/connect scripts
2015-08-18 13:49:58< ph3-der-loewe> but it was improved again in 2.5
2015-08-18 13:49:58< edoardo> this is amazing!!!
2015-08-18 13:50:02< edoardo> :O
2015-08-18 13:50:16< edoardo> i'm gonna have so much fun with these
2015-08-18 13:51:12< ph3-der-loewe> http://git.xiph.org/?p=icecast-server.git;a=blob;f=src/event_exec.c;h=0ce34fbb07e06e328c2b71ec1ddc94d206b6f84f;hb=HEAD#l108
2015-08-18 13:52:24< edoardo> damn
2015-08-18 13:52:31< edoardo> you solved all my problems
2015-08-18 13:54:52< ph3-der-loewe> in 2.5. it's also much more general as we implemented this nice <event> system.
2015-08-18 13:55:05< ph3-der-loewe> but I don't think that is required for your case.
2015-08-18 13:58:00< edoardo> i might upgrade
2015-08-18 13:58:03< edoardo> is it stable?
2015-08-18 14:00:37< ePirat> it's still in beta state
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2015-08-18 14:03:06< edoardo> ePirat: is icecast's beta enough for production?
2015-08-18 14:03:28< ph3-der-loewe> I think this is a political questions ;)
2015-08-18 14:03:33< edoardo> heh
2015-08-18 14:03:48< edoardo> Debian Testing is stable enough for production
2015-08-18 14:03:55< edoardo> i don't know about icecast
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2015-08-18 14:05:08< ph3-der-loewe> I think the worst thing is that if something breaks you will not get production grade support from Xiph.
2015-08-18 14:05:30< ph3-der-loewe> I'm sure everyone is happy to hunt bugs. but that is a bit diffrent from production grade support ;)
2015-08-18 14:06:12< edoardo> hmm
2015-08-18 14:06:22< edoardo> i'll keep a server with 2.5 to play with
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2015-08-19 22:18:24< ToddShepard> hi *pokes everyone*
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2015-08-19 22:26:18< lns> ToddShepard, that's a lot of pokes!
2015-08-19 22:28:24< ToddShepard> hehe, yep
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2015-08-20 06:32:30 * theotheredbaron pokes ToddShepard back
2015-08-20 06:32:47< theotheredbaron> oh, 6 horus late, nm
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2015-08-20 13:47:14< edoardo> <!-- WARNING:
2015-08-20 13:47:14< edoardo> 	 DO NOT ATTEMPT TO PARSE ICECAST HTML OUTPUT!
2015-08-20 13:47:14< edoardo> 	 The web interface may change completely between releases.
2015-08-20 13:47:14< edoardo> 	 If you have a need for automatic processing of server data,
2015-08-20 13:47:15< edoardo> 	 please read the appropriate documentation. Latest docs:
2015-08-20 13:47:17< edoardo> 	 http://icecast.org/docs/icecast-latest/icecast2_stats.html
2015-08-20 13:47:19< edoardo> 	-->
2015-08-20 13:47:21< edoardo> this really put me down
2015-08-20 13:47:29< edoardo> :-(
2015-08-20 13:50:17<+tbr> It's not an API. Some people use it like that. Sh*t breaks, we don't accept any responsibility. We provide XSLT, XML and JSON APIs that are carefully maintained.
2015-08-20 13:59:54< edoardo> yeah, i was not expecting that hehe :)
2015-08-20 14:00:11< edoardo> I'm using status-json.xsl that's pretty good
2015-08-20 14:21:22< ePirat> I am suprised that this link still works \o/
2015-08-20 14:25:09< edoardo> lol
2015-08-20 14:25:59< edoardo> Are those links url rewrites or real html?
2015-08-20 14:26:28< ePirat> rewrites 
2015-08-20 14:26:47< ePirat> but still point to real html files after all
2015-08-20 14:28:15< ePirat> just does things like redirecting to latest docs and preserving the correct path 
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2015-08-20 15:04:34< patsToms> that title
2015-08-20 15:04:44< patsToms> it's so hard to read «s free server software for streaming multimedia.»
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2015-08-21 00:02:36< solrize> what's the current state of webm video for icecast?  all docs mostly refer to audio streams.  i'm interested in streaming live video from the emacs2015 conference and am trying to figure out how to do it... thanks for any advice
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2015-08-21 06:39:16<+tbr> solrize: it should work fairly well. you need a machine capable of encoding your target resolution in real time. I posted some example avconf/ffmpeg command line a while ago on google+
2015-08-21 06:40:17< solrize> hmm, i didn't realize ffmpeg could transcode in real time, i guess it does everything though
2015-08-21 06:42:14<+tbr> note that the encoder is single threaded, so core speed matters
2015-08-21 06:43:42< solrize> hmm there are a bunch of fairly recent imacs around the office... will that do?
2015-08-21 06:45:14<+tbr> try it out. basically you want the load on the core not to reach 100%, rather stay consistently below, even with significant motion/change in the picture
2015-08-21 06:46:12< solrize> ic... if it's not fast enough i guess the only thing to do is decrease the resolution
2015-08-21 06:46:32<+tbr> yes
2015-08-21 06:46:43<+tbr> reducing frame rate helps a bit too
2015-08-21 06:46:51< solrize> good point
2015-08-21 06:47:13< solrize> do you have a link to your google+ page?  
2015-08-21 06:47:18< solrize> there's also this, maybe similar - https://support.mayfirst.org/wiki/free-video-streaming-technology
2015-08-21 06:47:34<+tbr> don't reduce the i-frame interval beyond 1:10 - 1:15 or decoders will have a hard time as we don't cache the iframe
2015-08-21 06:47:40< solrize> ok
2015-08-21 06:47:52<+tbr> google.com/+icecast should have it
2015-08-21 06:47:59< solrize> oh ok thanks
2015-08-21 06:48:03< solrize> looking
2015-08-21 06:49:05< solrize> thanks this looks helpful
2015-08-21 06:49:18<+tbr> stream should then play without issues as <video> in firefox, chrome, opera at least
2015-08-21 06:52:07< solrize> cool thanks.  is webm preferable anyway (e.g. for bandwidth at given quality)?  and can i use ffmpeg and avconv interchangeably in those examples?  i'm more used to ffmpeg
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2015-08-21 06:52:40<+tbr> it should be interchangeable. you need to test/tune it anyway
2015-08-21 06:52:49< solrize> fair enough
2015-08-21 06:53:14<+tbr> it works well and is better than theora
2015-08-21 06:53:45<+tbr> other options are non-free and may need licences for encoding, streaming, etc
2015-08-21 06:54:04< solrize> gotta stay free, it's for an emacs conference :)
2015-08-21 06:54:43<+tbr> yes, guessed as much
2015-08-21 06:55:56< solrize> emacsconf2015.org
2015-08-21 07:38:22< solrize> ok my idea is to get 4 or 5 "endpoint" vps's to run icecast on, in different geographic regions, and have a relay icecast fanning out to them them, and ffmpeg uploading to the relay so people would point their browsers at the endpoint nearest them.  and there's be an httpd that serves a static page with a video tag pointing to the endpoint icecast.  (maybe it could geolocate the incoming ip address if we have time to get fancy).  does that sound l
2015-08-21 07:38:22< solrize> ike a typical setup?
2015-08-21 07:43:59<+tbr> it sounds like you're planning for massive viewer numbers, aka thousands
2015-08-21 07:45:14<+tbr> the first thing you run out of with icecast is bandwidth
2015-08-21 07:47:50<+tbr> take your peak bandwidth of the stream, add 20-30% tcp overhead, divide guaranteed bandwidth of server by that
2015-08-21 07:49:30< solrize> hmm i don't expect 1000's of viewers... 100 or so might be realistic
2015-08-21 07:49:53<+tbr> then 1-2 servers should do just fine
2015-08-21 07:49:57< solrize> cool
2015-08-21 07:50:48<+tbr> also rrdns should be sufficient to balance load
2015-08-21 07:50:55< solrize> they will be pretty dispersed though... i was more worried about slow international links, so if we have a bunch of viewers overseas it might be nice to push just one stream there
2015-08-21 07:51:57<+tbr> that's something I can't really answer
2015-08-21 08:04:38< solrize> np.  we'll be using cloud servers with hourly billing and it's a 1-day event so the cost of 1-2 more servers than we need will still be very low, like a few cents per hour each.  so i'm inclined to overallocate since the network speed of those things tends to fluctuate
2015-08-21 08:05:02<+tbr> sure
2015-08-21 08:05:27<+tbr> I'm sure there are http redirect based geobalancers out there that you could use
2015-08-21 08:05:46<+tbr> most players nowadays should handle a 301/302
2015-08-21 08:06:10< solrize> yeah good point
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2015-08-21 08:07:33< solrize> anyway thanks for all the advice, we'll see if we can set up some test servers on saturday and try everything out
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2015-08-21 08:07:50<+tbr> yeah, good plan
2015-08-21 08:08:15<+tbr> oh, and for video, adjust que length up a bit
2015-08-21 08:08:23<+tbr> queue
2015-08-21 08:08:37< solrize> to allow more lag?  ok
2015-08-21 08:08:54< solrize> how much ram is needed?
2015-08-21 08:08:59<+tbr> neglegible
2015-08-21 08:09:56< solrize> cool... how much latency for the video with the queue length adjusted up?  i guess if it's within a few seconds it's ok.  idea is for people to watch the screen and ask the speakers questions on irc or jitsi
2015-08-21 08:09:59<+tbr> if you look for "loadtests", you'll find, that if you have a very low bw stream, then icecast scales up to 15-20k listeners on a 1GBit connection and still consumes moderate resources
2015-08-21 08:10:02< solrize> s/screen/stream/
2015-08-21 08:10:33<+tbr> queue should have no direct impact. largest impact is usually client buffers
2015-08-21 08:10:55<+tbr> the connect burst introduces some latency
2015-08-21 08:10:58< solrize> nice
2015-08-21 08:10:58< solrize> ic... that makes sense
2015-08-21 08:11:25<+tbr> but it is a trade off against client buffer
2015-08-21 08:11:37<+tbr> both introduce latency when filling etc
2015-08-21 08:11:40< solrize> i expect most clients will stay connected all day
2015-08-21 08:11:49< solrize> so the initial burst won't matter much
2015-08-21 08:12:04<+tbr> there may be random "drifting" over time
2015-08-21 08:12:29<+tbr> you might want to test that a bit to get a feeling. reloading the page will ofc resync that
2015-08-21 08:12:42< solrize> yeah i guess the server buffers enough to take care of that?  ic, will try that
2015-08-21 08:13:14<+tbr> rule of thumb, clients are usually anywhere from 10-120s behind reality, random distribution
2015-08-21 08:13:56< solrize> woah, hmm, that's a lot.  i guess we'll have to live with it
2015-08-21 08:14:01<+tbr> so for asking questions via IRC, it's good to collect and have someone relay them locally by reading them into a microphone, not the speaker looking at the screen
2015-08-21 08:14:52< solrize> yeah that's reasonable... still it's an awful lot of lag but i guess it's the best we can do
2015-08-21 08:15:10<+tbr> it seems to work for people. watch some CCC congress recordings, they do IRC questions during most talks
2015-08-21 08:15:17< solrize> nice
2015-08-21 08:15:28< solrize> i wonder if they documented their setup anywhere
2015-08-21 08:15:46<+tbr> also video noc are very happy icecast users "just works for the last 10 years since we use it" or such was their comment
2015-08-21 08:16:10<+tbr> their setup nowadays is much more complicated as they produce for many targets
2015-08-21 08:16:19<+tbr> but yeah, there is documentation
2015-08-21 08:16:34<+tbr> cccv and wiki should be the keywords
2015-08-21 08:16:48< solrize> ok i'll look for that.... what's video noc?
2015-08-21 08:17:04<+tbr> or rather VoC, Video operations Center
2015-08-21 08:17:44<+tbr> http://c3voc.de/
2015-08-21 08:17:52<+tbr> they have an irc channel somewhere
2015-08-21 08:20:32<+tbr> https://c3voc.de/wiki/
2015-08-21 08:20:48< solrize> oh thanks
2015-08-21 08:21:00< solrize> was looking on ccc.de and cccv.de
2015-08-21 08:21:14<+tbr> yeah it's c3voc not cccv
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2015-08-21 08:22:36< solrize> https://c3voc.de/wiki/
2015-08-21 08:22:45<+tbr> yes
2015-08-21 08:22:46< solrize> (certificate warning, bleh)
2015-08-21 08:22:54<+tbr> they use cacert IIRC
2015-08-21 08:24:02< solrize> yeah it's just firefox being silly with that dialog, wanting to store the exception permanently by default, np
2015-08-21 08:24:39< solrize> they use nginx with an rtmp module... that's for something fancier than just streaming with icecast?  i.e. icecast has its own listener port that a static <video> tag can point to?
2015-08-21 08:24:59< solrize> https://c3voc.de/wiki/softwareconfig
2015-08-21 08:25:30<+tbr> yeah, they use that to reach all the fruit devices etc
2015-08-21 08:25:36<+tbr> and flash players
2015-08-21 08:26:00<+tbr> btw: I'd recommend to bind icecast to port 80/443
2015-08-21 08:26:25<+tbr> if you are on debian or derivatives, then you need to fiddle a bit. I posted details to the ml a while ago
2015-08-21 08:36:03< solrize> xiph.org?  ok i'll look for it
2015-08-21 08:36:21< solrize> can phones view html5 video?
2015-08-21 08:37:01< solrize> using 80/443 means separate ip address from the web server, hmm.  i guess that's fine, vps's are cheap
2015-08-21 08:41:16< solrize> anyway thanks again, i have to go to bed, will probably be back on saturday.  this is feeling more like a solvable problem now, though it seems likely to take a bunch of screwing around with ffmpeg parameters etc
2015-08-21 08:41:42<+tbr> sure
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2015-08-21 09:26:58< Lina> o/
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2015-08-21 14:33:32<+tbr> Divayth: tried the plugin. works just fine. deployment is a bit tricky, but once they package their stuff it should be possible to make a complimentary package for most distros.
2015-08-21 14:33:43<+tbr> Divayth: a few minor remarks
2015-08-21 14:34:04<+tbr> - would be good to link additionally to the docs of let's encrypt directly
2015-08-21 14:34:21<+tbr> - I had one warning on a jessie system, not sure what it was about: /usr/lib/python2.7/distutils/dist.py:267: UserWarning: Unknown distribution option: 'package'  warnings.warn(msg)
2015-08-21 14:35:03<+tbr> - it doesn't show up in the output of --help, but in plugins and the full output. I guess that's expected for additional plugins and only the built in apache and nginx get that privilege of being in --help?
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2015-08-21 14:35:47<+tbr> - would be nice if the listen-socket would be grouped next to the other listen sockets. It's just a nice to have.
2015-08-21 14:36:12<+tbr> - later on it would be great if you could submit a pull request to them like they encourage in https://letsencrypt.readthedocs.org/en/latest/plugins.html
2015-08-21 14:36:53<+tbr> but yeah, good job
2015-08-21 14:37:09<+tbr> I sadly didn't have time to look at the other things yet
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2015-08-21 15:25:35< Divayth> tbr: I fixed the warning. The plugin itself has no control over showing in --help, youre guess about only the offical plugins showing is probably right. Changing the position of the listen-socket should be easy, ill do it today.
2015-08-21 15:26:14 * ph3-der-loewe waves.
2015-08-21 15:26:33< Divayth> I have to imagine a waving lion
2015-08-21 15:29:50< ph3-der-loewe> (lion paws and legs have the same amount of freedom in movements as humans have. if you like you can have a look at the skelton and see yourself)
2015-08-21 15:30:35< Divayth> the anatomy of the lion was not the strange thing about it :P
2015-08-21 15:31:26< ph3-der-loewe> oh?
2015-08-21 15:41:38< Divayth> I mean waving is very specific to humans but its funny you are roleplaying the lion well!
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2015-08-21 15:46:58 * ph3-der-loewe isn't roleplaying a lion...
2015-08-21 15:47:11< Divayth> :)
2015-08-21 15:47:18< ph3-der-loewe> oh, it's not as specific as you may think.
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2015-08-21 15:47:32< ph3-der-loewe> it's just that we normally do it with our head not with the paws.
2015-08-21 15:49:17< Divayth> ok socket-node is now at a good position
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2015-08-21 16:05:46< Divayth> Did the other icecast gsoc proejct work out by the way? I think it was stream directory api something something
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2015-08-21 16:11:39< ePirat> Divayth, yeah it does
2015-08-21 16:11:49< Divayth> good to hear
2015-08-21 16:12:14< ePirat> Divayth marco did some awesome work and most of the stuff is done
2015-08-21 16:20:05< ePirat> Divayth how did your gsoc project work out?
2015-08-21 16:22:30< Divayth> It is working fine too
2015-08-21 16:22:54< Divayth> (at least I got a good job from tbr :D )
2015-08-21 16:24:10 * tbr sadly was absent a lot due to health issues, so did a sucky job at mentoring
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2015-08-21 16:51:32< ph3-der-loewe> tbr: I'm sure everyone of us understands that. And if someone has a diffrent opinion they should take a bit of time and relfect it.
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2015-08-21 17:25:49< edoardo> Hello :3
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2015-08-22 11:00:26< ph3-der-loewe> mau.
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2015-08-22 11:22:22< ph3-der-loewe> funny functions, today: eat_body()
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2015-08-22 12:39:46< edoardo> Hi
2015-08-22 12:40:20< ph3-der-loewe> mau.
2015-08-22 12:40:25< edoardo> wanna some data?
2015-08-22 12:41:45< ph3-der-loewe> currently busy implementing something. but you can already upload it somewhere so I can have a look as soon as I'm done.
2015-08-22 12:42:26< edoardo> 󾮗
2015-08-22 12:42:41< ph3-der-loewe> hm?
2015-08-22 12:42:46< edoardo> it was an emoji lol
2015-08-22 12:43:01< edoardo> i guess irc and emojis don't work well together
2015-08-22 12:43:42< ph3-der-loewe> maybe. here it ended up as a question mark.
2015-08-22 12:43:53< ePirat> here as an empty square
2015-08-22 12:44:59< edoardo> http://edocod.it/valicecast.log
2015-08-22 12:45:46< ePirat> ☜
2015-08-22 12:46:18< edoardo> ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
2015-08-22 12:47:36< ph3-der-loewe> edoardo: thank you.
2015-08-22 12:47:57< edoardo> i start to think it's a virtualization-related bug
2015-08-22 12:48:00< ph3-der-loewe> but... that doesn't help me. (not your fault), it just shows 'no problem'
2015-08-22 12:48:12< ph3-der-loewe> ==28184==    definitely lost: 0 bytes in 0 blocks
2015-08-22 12:48:12< ph3-der-loewe> ==28184==    indirectly lost: 0 bytes in 0 blocks
2015-08-22 12:48:12< ph3-der-loewe> ==28184==      possibly lost: 0 bytes in 0 blocks
2015-08-22 12:48:14< ph3-der-loewe> :(
2015-08-22 12:48:15< edoardo> i'm on OpenVZ and that might the problem
2015-08-22 12:48:21< ph3-der-loewe> oh...
2015-08-22 12:48:26< ph3-der-loewe> OpenVZ always does strange stuff.
2015-08-22 12:48:42 * ePirat is unable to run Icecast with valgrind
2015-08-22 12:49:05< edoardo> ePirat: sudo -u icecast2 valgrind -v --leak-check=full --show-reachable=yes --log-file=/etc/icecast2/valicecast.log icecast2 -c /etc/icecast2/icecast.xml
2015-08-22 12:49:42< ePirat> yea I know, but Icecast crashes for me when I do this due to some thread error
2015-08-22 12:50:44< edoardo> what are you using?
2015-08-22 12:52:18< ePirat> super new ubuntu 15.04 with 3.19 kernel, which I suppose causes the problems 
2015-08-22 12:52:32< edoardo> "ubuntu"
2015-08-22 12:52:34< edoardo> found your problem
2015-08-22 12:52:51< edoardo> i'm on 4.1.0-1-rt and i've neve had issues
2015-08-22 12:54:01< ph3-der-loewe> This SQL statment is long. *seaching for the main FROM-clause*
2015-08-22 12:54:39< edoardo> select * from *
2015-08-22 12:54:45< edoardo> solved all your problems
2015-08-22 12:54:47< edoardo> thank me later
2015-08-22 12:55:28< ePirat> seems everyone hates ubuntu :P
2015-08-22 12:55:35< ph3-der-loewe> SELECT elfefant FROM africa;
2015-08-22 12:55:47< edoardo> "0 lines affected"
2015-08-22 12:55:54< ph3-der-loewe> ok, reorder letters as you like!
2015-08-22 12:55:56< edoardo> ePirat: ubuntu hurts my feelings
2015-08-22 12:56:20< edoardo> Ubuntu is the windows of linux
2015-08-22 12:57:03< ePirat> reminds me that I wanted to try out Fedora
2015-08-22 12:57:28< edoardo> if you don't mind on the community
2015-08-22 12:59:39< ePirat> SELECT haystack FROM needle;
2015-08-22 13:00:12< ph3-der-loewe> I think it was the other way, Mr. ePirat.
2015-08-22 13:02:01< edoardo> oh my god
2015-08-22 13:02:10< ph3-der-loewe> mau?
2015-08-22 13:02:22< edoardo> i got banned from a server, i need to reload my wan and change my ip address :^)
2015-08-22 13:02:29< edoardo> like real hackers do
2015-08-22 13:02:42< ph3-der-loewe> real hackers don't do this sort of thing.
2015-08-22 13:03:11< edoardo> (oh, as a side note, 99% of my messages are sarcastic, 1% being this one)
2015-08-22 13:04:37< ph3-der-loewe> ;)
2015-08-22 13:04:47< ph3-der-loewe> real hackers just change exit nodes ;)
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2015-08-22 13:05:05< edoardo_> Here i am
2015-08-22 13:05:09< edoardo_> i should really register edoardo_ given how much i use it
2015-08-22 13:05:21< ph3-der-loewe> you can group both nicks btw.
2015-08-22 13:05:29< edoardo_> how?
2015-08-22 13:06:40< ph3-der-loewe> /msg nickserv help group
2015-08-22 13:06:40< ph3-der-loewe> ;)
2015-08-22 13:06:46< edoardo_> ayy thanks
2015-08-22 13:06:57< ph3-der-loewe> :)
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2015-08-22 14:49:04< ph3-der-loewe> mau.
2015-08-22 14:58:50< ph3-der-loewe> edoardo: can you maybe forward the memory allocation table for the icecast process?
2015-08-22 14:59:27< ph3-der-loewe> would at least give a hint on what kind of object the memory is allocated to.
2015-08-22 15:00:01< edoardo> ph3-der-loewe: what?
2015-08-22 15:00:01< ph3-der-loewe> that is /proc/<pid>/maps
2015-08-22 15:00:51< edoardo> ehm
2015-08-22 15:00:56< edoardo> give me a command or whatever
2015-08-22 15:01:14< ph3-der-loewe> it's a file ;)
2015-08-22 15:01:24< ph3-der-loewe> <pid> of the icecast process.
2015-08-22 15:03:07< edoardo> ph3-der-loewe: http://edocod.it/dump.txt
2015-08-22 15:04:50< ph3-der-loewe> wow.
2015-08-22 15:05:34< edoardo> ph3-der-loewe: what?
2015-08-22 15:05:52< ph3-der-loewe> it's long ;)
2015-08-22 15:06:44< edoardo> and?
2015-08-22 15:06:50< edoardo> are you gonna hack me with this data?
2015-08-22 15:06:54< edoardo> :P
2015-08-22 15:19:51< ph3-der-loewe> there are nine blocks of ~67MB.
2015-08-22 15:20:15< ph3-der-loewe> with access mode '---p'
2015-08-22 15:20:22< ph3-der-loewe> that is strange.
2015-08-22 15:20:44< edoardo> always keep in mind openvz
2015-08-22 15:20:49< edoardo> that could be the cause of everything
2015-08-22 15:20:59< edoardo> i've set the threads to 8 btw
2015-08-22 15:21:17< ph3-der-loewe> they are between some rw blocks.
2015-08-22 15:21:39< ph3-der-loewe> yes. I think it's your libc or the kernel or something.
2015-08-22 15:21:41< ph3-der-loewe> not really sure.
2015-08-22 15:22:05< edoardo> i guess i should opena ticket and ask
2015-08-22 15:22:06< ph3-der-loewe> but mappings with no access rights sound like soething that the kernel should not keep in memory anyway.
2015-08-22 15:22:22< ph3-der-loewe> (and we had this big diffrence between RES and VIRT)
2015-08-22 15:23:37< edoardo> what's the average usage of icecast?
2015-08-22 15:25:09< ph3-der-loewe>   PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
2015-08-22 15:25:17< ph3-der-loewe> 16891 phi       20   0 12076 3392 2712 S  0.0  1.0   0:00.02 icecast
2015-08-22 15:25:30< ph3-der-loewe> that is current trunk running on my laptop.
2015-08-22 15:25:39< edoardo> not bad
2015-08-22 15:25:49< edoardo> i expected higher
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2015-08-22 15:26:26< ph3-der-loewe> it also depends on the OS and usage. (for conserns of scaling see the load tests at the homepage)
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2015-08-23 12:54:52< ph3-der-loewe> mau.
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2015-08-23 12:55:28< ph3-der-loewe> mau.
2015-08-23 12:55:34< edoardo> woof
2015-08-23 12:55:55< ph3-der-loewe> mau.
2015-08-23 12:56:18< edoardo> woof!
2015-08-23 12:56:40< ph3-der-loewe> lion wants headrub and massage. :(
2015-08-23 12:57:49< edoardo> oh that was a lion
2015-08-23 12:58:00< ph3-der-loewe> mau?
2015-08-23 12:58:13< edoardo> yes
2015-08-23 12:58:59< ph3-der-loewe> don't understand your last statement.
2015-08-23 12:59:10< edoardo> "lion wants headrub and massage"
2015-08-23 12:59:18< edoardo> "oh, that was a lion!"
2015-08-23 13:00:13< ph3-der-loewe> yes...?
2015-08-23 13:00:32< edoardo> nevermind :P
2015-08-23 13:01:13< ph3-der-loewe> hm..
2015-08-23 13:01:39< ph3-der-loewe> still want my headrub ;)
2015-08-23 13:02:29 * edoardo rubs ph3-der-loewe 
2015-08-23 13:02:34< edoardo> good boy! :3
2015-08-23 13:03:10< ph3-der-loewe> mau.... :)))
2015-08-23 13:03:28< edoardo> wait... how can a dog rub a lion/cat/whatever?
2015-08-23 13:03:56< ph3-der-loewe> depends.
2015-08-23 13:04:01< ph3-der-loewe> But I know service foxes.
2015-08-23 13:04:13< ph3-der-loewe> but normally they hop on your back and use all four paws for massage.
2015-08-23 13:04:42< edoardo> oh
2015-08-23 13:05:35< edoardo> like kneading
2015-08-23 13:05:41 * ph3-der-loewe nods.
2015-08-23 13:06:03< edoardo> today i'm happy 
2015-08-23 13:06:09< ph3-der-loewe> but I think it also works better with foxes as they have smaller paws.
2015-08-23 13:06:09< edoardo> i finally got metadata to work on my player
2015-08-23 13:06:13< ph3-der-loewe> :))
2015-08-23 13:06:35< edoardo> it's exceptionally responsive
2015-08-23 13:06:51< edoardo> icecast works really good
2015-08-23 13:07:02< edoardo> i have streaming issues on android tho
2015-08-23 13:07:08< edoardo> buffering especiallt
2015-08-23 13:07:11< edoardo> *especially
2015-08-23 13:07:21< ph3-der-loewe> hm?
2015-08-23 13:07:23< edoardo> (i probably wrote it wrong anyway)
2015-08-23 13:07:32< edoardo> do you have an android phone/tablet/whatever?
2015-08-23 13:10:09< edoardo> anyway, the buffering takes ages
2015-08-23 13:10:26< ph3-der-loewe> no. I don't own any smart devices.
2015-08-23 13:10:34< edoardo> only stupid ones?
2015-08-23 13:10:41< edoardo> :O
2015-08-23 13:11:08< ph3-der-loewe> I own a anlog HT and an analog portable radio ;)
2015-08-23 13:11:22< edoardo> anyway, even increasing the burst to 1mb doesn't resolve the problem
2015-08-23 13:11:35< edoardo> i do too
2015-08-23 13:11:39< ph3-der-loewe> have a look at your access.log.
2015-08-23 13:11:42< edoardo> my radio is digital tho, 28€
2015-08-23 13:11:47< edoardo> Baofeng
2015-08-23 13:12:08< edoardo> ok, let's see
2015-08-23 13:12:11< ph3-der-loewe> Maas, which can do about the same but keeps to european laws ;)
2015-08-23 13:12:31< ph3-der-loewe> edoardo: I guess you see more than one physical connection per logical client.
2015-08-23 13:12:49< edoardo> too legal for me
2015-08-23 13:12:50< edoardo> :P
2015-08-23 13:13:09< ph3-der-loewe> and the other one is a FT-817.
2015-08-23 13:13:09< edoardo> let me see what happens when i try to play the stream with my phoen
2015-08-23 13:25:40 * ph3-der-loewe nods.
2015-08-23 13:25:58< edoardo> this phone doesn't work
2015-08-23 13:26:11< edoardo> it randomly stopped loading only my site
2015-08-23 13:26:21< ph3-der-loewe> it's a smartphone.
2015-08-23 13:26:30< edoardo> but it's an android :(
2015-08-23 13:26:34< ph3-der-loewe> it detected that you try to debug it so it refuses cooperation.
2015-08-23 13:26:58< edoardo> hmm
2015-08-23 13:27:08< edoardo> even wget when i'm sshed on my phone doesn't work
2015-08-23 13:27:18< ph3-der-loewe> em...
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2015-08-23 17:45:53< qwebirc63315> hi, I've set up icecast via homebrew on a mac - I'm running version 2.4.2 and successfully streaming
2015-08-23 17:46:02< qwebirc63315> but I can't seem to get it to send out metadata
2015-08-23 17:46:29< qwebirc63315> I see in the logs that it's receiving new track names but it doesn't seem to want to send anything to the client
2015-08-23 17:46:48< qwebirc63315> does anybody know what this could be?
2015-08-23 17:47:15< qwebirc63315> (sorry for my username!)
2015-08-23 17:56:11< ph3-der-loewe> you can change your username using: /nick <newnick>
2015-08-23 17:56:20< ph3-der-loewe> what codec you are using?
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2015-08-23 18:36:56< zinhar> .
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2015-08-23 18:42:53< ph3-der-loewe> mau?
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2015-08-23 18:47:13< edoardo> ayy
2015-08-23 18:47:24< ph3-der-loewe> reflum edoardo.
2015-08-23 18:47:47< edoardo> meh
2015-08-23 18:47:50< edoardo> i have to reset my phone
2015-08-23 18:48:03< edoardo> for some reason it doesn't visit some sites anymore :(
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2015-08-23 18:59:31< Brent> Anyone available to help me setup an Icecast server?
2015-08-23 18:59:33< Brent> I'm having issues.
2015-08-23 18:59:54< ph3-der-loewe> Do you have a specific question?
2015-08-23 19:00:14< Brent> Well, just in-general I have no idea how to set this up on Ubuntu.
2015-08-23 19:00:33< Brent> On my Ubuntu server.
2015-08-23 19:00:53 * ph3-der-loewe friendly points to the understanding link in the topic
2015-08-23 19:00:59< ph3-der-loewe> maybe that is a good first start.
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2015-08-23 19:01:21< edoardo> Brent: sudo apt-get install icecast2
2015-08-23 19:01:25< Divayth> you can literally google icecast ubuntu and get good results
2015-08-23 19:01:28< edoardo> sudo nano /etc/icecast2/icecast.xml
2015-08-23 19:01:36< edoardo> sudo service icecast2 restart
2015-08-23 19:01:39< edoardo> and you're set
2015-08-23 19:02:18< ph3-der-loewe> and please don't change more then the passwords at first.
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2015-08-23 19:46:31< Brent> Issue connecting to Icecast with Mixxx, using login as source and password set.
2015-08-23 19:46:40< Brent> Icecast2*
2015-08-23 19:47:07< ph3-der-loewe> what eerror message?
2015-08-23 19:48:14< qwebirc63315> hi ph3-der-loewe - I'm streaming with ogg/vorbis
2015-08-23 19:48:27< ph3-der-loewe> qwebirc63315: which source client?
2015-08-23 19:48:35< qwebirc63315> Traktor
2015-08-23 19:48:46< Brent> ph3-der-loewe: Please check your connection to the Internet and verify that your username and password are correct.
2015-08-23 19:48:54< Brent> ^It is correct
2015-08-23 19:49:51< qwebirc63315> ph3-der-loewe: I see my track titles when I try another streaming service (Mixify) but not when I use my local icecast server
2015-08-23 19:49:56< ph3-der-loewe> Brent: this sound very generic.
2015-08-23 19:50:17< ph3-der-loewe> Brent: have you added blanks to the settings in the config file? like <password> somepw </password>?
2015-08-23 19:50:34< ePirat> Brent try restarting Mixxx and try it again.
2015-08-23 19:50:45< qwebirc63315> ph3-der-loewe: and also they are visible in my local icecast admin screen / stats.xml - they just don't seem to come through with the stream
2015-08-23 19:50:57< Brent> ph3-der-loewe: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=33mvlnt&s=8
2015-08-23 19:50:59< ph3-der-loewe> qwebirc63315: that is strange. meta data handling is in the domain of the source client.
2015-08-23 19:51:18< ph3-der-loewe> qwebirc63315: is your stream public?
2015-08-23 19:51:38< qwebirc63315> ph3-der-loewe: no - but I could make a quick tunnel
2015-08-23 19:51:46< qwebirc63315> (I think...)
2015-08-23 19:52:00< ph3-der-loewe> n0ah: that link doesn't work for me.
2015-08-23 19:52:03< ph3-der-loewe> em.
2015-08-23 19:52:07< ph3-der-loewe> Brent: /
2015-08-23 19:52:13< ph3-der-loewe> qwebirc63315: ok.
2015-08-23 19:53:03< ePirat> Brent, you forgot to configure the mountpoint
2015-08-23 19:53:15< ePirat> you left the field blank
2015-08-23 19:53:45< Brent> epirate: http://prntscr.com/880760
2015-08-23 19:53:49< Brent> What should it be configured to?
2015-08-23 19:53:54< Brent> ph3-der-loewe http://prntscr.com/880760
2015-08-23 19:54:04< Brent> or what should I set it as
2015-08-23 19:54:07< Brent> the mountpoint
2015-08-23 19:55:08< n0ah> ph3-der-loewe: no u
2015-08-23 19:55:08< ePirat> Brent just set it to the path your want your stream to be accessible at. i.e. stream.mp3
2015-08-23 19:55:42< Brent> ePirat: so this http://prntscr.com/88082l
2015-08-23 19:55:51< ph3-der-loewe> why configure a mount at all?
2015-08-23 19:56:34< ePirat> Brent, yes but I am not sure if it needs the / in front or not
2015-08-23 19:56:41< qwebirc63315> ph3-der-loewe: this should work http://afc5f33a.ngrok.io/stream.ogg
2015-08-23 19:56:46< ePirat> so if it doesn't work with /, try it without
2015-08-23 19:57:06< qwebirc63315> (forgive the low quality audio for testing)
2015-08-23 19:57:10< Brent> They both didn't work
2015-08-23 19:57:24< ePirat> Brent check out the icecast error log
2015-08-23 19:58:34< Brent> ePirat: How can I find that if I installed it using apt-get?
2015-08-23 19:58:55< ePirat> maybe in /var/log/icecast/ 
2015-08-23 19:58:55< ph3-der-loewe> qwebirc63315: that stream seems to be fine.
2015-08-23 19:59:02< ph3-der-loewe> there is no ARTIST tag.
2015-08-23 19:59:07< qwebirc63315> ph3-der-loewe: are you seeing metadata?
2015-08-23 19:59:07< ph3-der-loewe> but it's valid.
2015-08-23 19:59:11< qwebirc63315> I'll change the song now
2015-08-23 19:59:11< ph3-der-loewe> sure.
2015-08-23 19:59:38< qwebirc63315> ph3-der-loewe: I only need the song title anyway
2015-08-23 19:59:43< qwebirc63315> ok it's weird
2015-08-23 19:59:51< qwebirc63315> I'm using a node-js client
2015-08-23 19:59:59< ph3-der-loewe> ok, works.
2015-08-23 20:00:06< qwebirc63315> which seems to work on other streams but doesn't pick up metadata on my local stream
2015-08-23 20:00:22< qwebirc63315> so I assumed it was my local icecast being misconfigured or something
2015-08-23 20:00:28< ph3-der-loewe> I downloaded the stream and ran ogginfo:
2015-08-23 20:00:29< ph3-der-loewe> User comments section follows...
2015-08-23 20:00:29< ph3-der-loewe>         ENCODER=Native Instruments Media Library
2015-08-23 20:00:29< ph3-der-loewe>         TITLE=Get Connected
2015-08-23 20:00:36< Brent> ePirat: http://prntscr.com/880a8t
2015-08-23 20:00:36< ph3-der-loewe> and no errors.
2015-08-23 20:00:42< ph3-der-loewe> also player works fine.
2015-08-23 20:00:54< ePirat> qwebirc63315, for those js clients to work, the stream has to have cross origin headers set
2015-08-23 20:00:56< qwebirc63315> Oh, it shouldn't say Get Connected I don't think 
2015-08-23 20:01:13< qwebirc63315> cross origin headers - ahaaaaaa
2015-08-23 20:01:21< ph3-der-loewe> qwebirc63315: the secound title was 'Chocolate'
2015-08-23 20:01:23< qwebirc63315> yeah let me try that 
2015-08-23 20:01:28< qwebirc63315> yes perfect, you're seeing the righ tthing
2015-08-23 20:01:30< ePirat> Brent, that's not the correct path then, I suppose :P
2015-08-23 20:01:47< ePirat> Brent which os is running icecast on?
2015-08-23 20:01:52< Brent> Ubuntu
2015-08-23 20:01:58< ph3-der-loewe> qwebirc63315: just didn't want to spam this channels with milions of lines of diagnistic output ;)
2015-08-23 20:02:04< Brent> @ePirat Ubuntu
2015-08-23 20:02:04< ePirat> ok, check the Icecast config file what is set for logdir
2015-08-23 20:02:14< ePirat> and go to that directory and look for error.log
2015-08-23 20:02:53< ph3-der-loewe> Brent, ePirat: what is the HTTP status code you got?
2015-08-23 20:03:05< ePirat> ph3-der-loewe what?
2015-08-23 20:03:11< Brent> ? http://45.55.54.177:8000/admin/   ?
2015-08-23 20:03:24< Brent> trying to find it ePirat
2015-08-23 20:03:28< Brent> (log file)
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2015-08-23 20:03:46< ePirat> Brent, the config file is icecast.xml in usually located in /etc/
2015-08-23 20:03:52< ph3-der-loewe> ePirat: I thought as the log in doesn't work and mixxx reports something generic maybe you had looked up the status from the access.log.
2015-08-23 20:04:13< ePirat> ph3-der-loewe I am trying to get him find the logs yet
2015-08-23 20:04:27< ph3-der-loewe> ah, ok.
2015-08-23 20:04:31< qwebirc63315> ph3-der-loewe: I set   <http-headers>       <header name="Access-Control-Allow-Origin" value="*" />     </http-headers>     
2015-08-23 20:04:45< ePirat> I really hate those horrible source clients with generic error mesasges :/
2015-08-23 20:04:47< qwebirc63315> ph3-der-loewe: but it still doesn't work with my node client :-/
2015-08-23 20:05:24< ph3-der-loewe> qwebirc63315: all I can do is to verify your stream. And your stream looks perfect to me.
2015-08-23 20:05:26< ePirat> qwebirc63315 which nodejs client are you speaking of?
2015-08-23 20:05:30< Brent> I found icecast.xml
2015-08-23 20:05:32< Brent> ePirat
2015-08-23 20:05:32< ph3-der-loewe> so I guess theproblem is on the client.
2015-08-23 20:05:39< Brent> It doesn't show my logs though but my config
2015-08-23 20:05:52< ePirat> Brent great, now look up what is set for the log directory
2015-08-23 20:06:15< qwebirc63315> okay thanks ph3-der-loewe 
2015-08-23 20:06:21< Brent> ePirat <logdir>/var/log/icecast2</logdir>
2015-08-23 20:06:27< ph3-der-loewe> qwebirc63315: problems is that I have no idea of node-js ;)
2015-08-23 20:06:41< Brent> found it
2015-08-23 20:06:41< qwebirc63315> ePirat: I'm using https://www.npmjs.com/package/icecast - basically the client sample code on there  - it works with other streams but not my local stream
2015-08-23 20:06:59< ePirat> Brent now go to /var/log/icecast2 and have a look in the error log and access log
2015-08-23 20:07:00< qwebirc63315> ePirat: I mean, it streams, I just don't get metadata callbacks
2015-08-23 20:07:29< qwebirc63315> there doesn't seem to be very much to the library 
2015-08-23 20:07:30< ePirat> qwebirc63315, this thing is not able to handle anything else than mp3/aac 
2015-08-23 20:07:47< ph3-der-loewe> a, is that an ICY client?
2015-08-23 20:07:57< ph3-der-loewe> *em
2015-08-23 20:08:04< Brent> ePirat: Error Log: http://prntscr.com/880dby  Access Log: http://prntscr.com/880dm0
2015-08-23 20:08:05< ph3-der-loewe> ICY != HTTP.
2015-08-23 20:08:13< ePirat> qwebirc63315 have a look at https://github.com/TooTallNate/node-icy/issues/20
2015-08-23 20:08:23< qwebirc63315> it sends the Icy-MetaData: 1 header but doesn't get back the metaint (or whatever it should be) response 
2015-08-23 20:08:42< ph3-der-loewe> silflay is ready.
2015-08-23 20:09:01< ph3-der-loewe> qwebirc63315: this is for ICY streams, not for HTTP streams.
2015-08-23 20:09:02< qwebirc63315> ePirat: I read that issue earlier - not sure what it has to do with my problem?
2015-08-23 20:09:14< ph3-der-loewe> as you have a HTTP stream -> doesn't work as expected.
2015-08-23 20:09:15< ePirat> qwebirc63315 the issue explains that very good
2015-08-23 20:09:33< ph3-der-loewe> it's simple: it's written for a diffrent protocol.
2015-08-23 20:09:48< qwebirc63315> ePirat: can I make my icecast stream an icy stream?
2015-08-23 20:10:29< ePirat> ph3-der-loewe it actually is http 
2015-08-23 20:10:42< ph3-der-loewe> ePirat: no, it breaks very much fundermental stuff of HTTP.
2015-08-23 20:11:10< ph3-der-loewe> just that most implementations can fall back to HTTP.
2015-08-23 20:11:13< ph3-der-loewe> that's it.
2015-08-23 20:11:21< ePirat> ph3-der-loewe no that's not what I mean
2015-08-23 20:11:30< ph3-der-loewe> if you got an implementation that doesn't support that you get a broken file.
2015-08-23 20:11:46< ph3-der-loewe> so, silflay.
2015-08-23 20:11:59< ph3-der-loewe> this is ending up political anyway. see you later!
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2015-08-23 20:12:14< bobgo_> Hello?
2015-08-23 20:12:19< bobgo_> anyone on?
2015-08-23 20:12:20< Brent> ePirat: Error Log: http://prntscr.com/880dby  Access Log: http://prntscr.com/880dm0
2015-08-23 20:12:28< ePirat> ph3-der-loewe yeah I agree, I was misunderstading your point
2015-08-23 20:13:02< bobgo_> https://wiki.xiph.org/Icecast_Server/Installing_latest_version_%28official_Xiph_repositories%29
2015-08-23 20:13:22< bobgo_> I used this tbr but I dont have the setup stuff you gave me anymore
2015-08-23 20:13:29< ePirat> Brent, seems password is incorrect or Mixxx did not store it correctly
2015-08-23 20:13:52< qwebirc63315> ePirat: ph3-der-loewe I don't really care what protocol I have to use - does the icecast binary let me choose the protocol or whatever I have to do to get this node library to work properly?
2015-08-23 20:14:28< qwebirc63315> I'm just running this locally on my own machine to wire up the traktor output to some other stuff 
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2015-08-23 20:14:38< ePirat> qwebirc63315, this software was designed for icy metadata which is not used for anything else than mp3 and aac, so I don't think there is any way to make it work
2015-08-23 20:15:04< qwebirc63315> you mean because I'm using an ogg stream?
2015-08-23 20:15:10< ePirat> yes
2015-08-23 20:15:21< qwebirc63315> (that's all Traktor lets me do)
2015-08-23 20:15:27< qwebirc63315> Okay I guess I'm just gonna have to poll stats.xml 
2015-08-23 20:15:28< ePirat> the icy metadata stuff is horrible
2015-08-23 20:15:45< qwebirc63315> was hoping to stream the metadata but polling will have to do instead
2015-08-23 20:15:53< ePirat> qwebirc63315 yes that's a possible solution 
2015-08-23 20:16:08< qwebirc63315> thanks for your help ePirat ph3-der-loewe 
2015-08-23 20:16:33< qwebirc63315> I'm michaelforrest on freenode usually, in case I come back :)
2015-08-23 20:16:37< Brent> ePirat: Thanks for your help, working http://45.55.54.177:8000/stream.mp3.m3u
2015-08-23 20:17:04< ePirat> great
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2015-08-24 00:21:25< ph3-der-loewe> ePirat: still around?
2015-08-24 00:21:36< ePirat> yes
2015-08-24 00:22:19< ph3-der-loewe> ePirat: I think we should consider to 412 in omode=strict in case of ICY request on HTTP stream.
2015-08-24 00:23:06< ePirat> what exactly do you consider an ICY request?
2015-08-24 00:24:04< ph3-der-loewe> I there would be specs for ICY I would point to them ;)
2015-08-24 00:24:33< ph3-der-loewe> so I would for now keep it to 'whatever kind of request we would anser with ICY stream if not falling back tp HTP'
2015-08-24 00:24:36< ph3-der-loewe> *HTTP
2015-08-24 00:24:48< ph3-der-loewe> so whatever icecast's current code defines as ICY request.
2015-08-24 00:26:07< ePirat> well
2015-08-24 00:26:28< ePirat> icy metadata stuff is iirc not the same as the icy protocol stuff?
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2015-08-24 00:27:42< ph3-der-loewe> it is directly bound to each other
2015-08-24 00:27:53< ph3-der-loewe> you can not have a ICY connection without the metadata stuff.
2015-08-24 00:28:03< ph3-der-loewe> you wopuld just transmit empty metadata.
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2015-08-24 00:29:21< ePirat> so for your definition you consider icy to be anything that has the meta-int stuff, am I right?
2015-08-24 00:30:12< ph3-der-loewe> No. in this case I define it as how it is implemented in master.
2015-08-24 00:30:19< ph3-der-loewe> I have not check it yet.
2015-08-24 00:30:39< ph3-der-loewe> and please also consider that I talk about omode=strict, nit omode=normal
2015-08-24 00:32:53< ePirat> personally I have nothing against this idea. icy metadata stuff is so annoying 
2015-08-24 00:33:30< ePirat> and most people that will use omode strict know what they are doing anyway, I hope
2015-08-24 00:33:37< ph3-der-loewe> think about that today.
2015-08-24 00:33:48< ph3-der-loewe> he would have got an error message telling that he used the wrong protocol.
2015-08-24 00:34:00< ph3-der-loewe> yes.
2015-08-24 00:34:25< ph3-der-loewe> I think omode=strict could be the right place. it will not break existing setups and allows to test stuff.
2015-08-24 00:34:36< ph3-der-loewe> and it can be enabled by the client.
2015-08-24 00:35:15< ph3-der-loewe> so we could have answered something like 'please append &omode=strict to your request and see if there is an error'
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2015-08-24 00:49:50< ePirat> ph3-der-loewe ugh this range request thing looks like it could be annoying to fix
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2015-08-24 00:50:36< ph3-der-loewe> to me there are basically 3 options:
2015-08-24 00:50:50< ph3-der-loewe> 0) not fixing, 1) it's really our fault and we fix it, 2) ¤¤¤
2015-08-24 00:50:51< ph3-der-loewe> ;)
2015-08-24 00:51:27< ph3-der-loewe> oh, and of cause:
2015-08-24 00:51:27< ePirat> 3) Use a proper webserver :P
2015-08-24 00:51:34< ph3-der-loewe> 3) not within our domain
2015-08-24 00:51:53< ph3-der-loewe> ePirat: sure. but if it's really broken for some reason we should fix it as it may break other stuff as well.
2015-08-24 00:55:38< ePirat> yeah if it is our fault, sure
2015-08-24 00:56:01 * ePirat is a bit busy trying to install win98 in virtual box…
2015-08-24 00:56:12< ePirat> (or better, failing at doing so)
2015-08-24 00:56:31< ph3-der-loewe> hu?
2015-08-24 00:56:32< ph3-der-loewe> why?
2015-08-24 00:56:54< ePirat> want to play some old game
2015-08-24 00:57:14< ePirat> (the win32 version, not the dos version so dosbox is not an option)
2015-08-24 00:58:15< ph3-der-loewe> wine ;)
2015-08-24 00:58:31< ePirat> not an option either as it fails to emulate 256 colors correctly 
2015-08-24 01:01:28< ph3-der-loewe> hu?
2015-08-24 01:03:41< ePirat> well the virtual desktop needs to run with 256 color mode, else the game refuses to start. 
2015-08-24 01:04:11< ePirat> there is a checkbox for this in windows compatibility settings on a real windows but for some reason can't find a way to make wine do it
2015-08-24 01:04:21< ph3-der-loewe> rfc#2616
2015-08-24 01:04:24< InformBot> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2616 RFC 2616 - Hypertext Transfer Protocol -- HTTP/1.1
2015-08-24 01:04:36< ePirat> hu cool
2015-08-24 01:04:47< ph3-der-loewe> section 14.35.2
2015-08-24 01:05:18< ph3-der-loewe> A server MAY ignore the Range header. [...] ought to support byte ranges when possible, [...]
2015-08-24 01:07:18< ph3-der-loewe> I'm understanding the RFC as returning 200 inlcuding the full boy is a valid response.
2015-08-24 01:07:47< ph3-der-loewe> maybe not the best (keyword from RFC: ought to) but valid (keyword from RFC: ignore).
2015-08-24 01:10:39< ph3-der-loewe> ok. we will see. I think we should wait for the answer and then discuss who is right or wrong.
2015-08-24 01:12:13< ePirat> yup
2015-08-24 01:12:46< ePirat> ha seems virtual box 5.0 has a bug causing my install issues… *downgrades*
2015-08-24 01:13:07< ph3-der-loewe> ok, have a good night.
2015-08-24 01:13:38< ePirat> good night :)
2015-08-24 01:13:52< ph3-der-loewe> (try wine in Xnest with -depth 8)
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2015-08-24 02:28:55< Brent> Is it possible to embed an IceCast Audio stream?
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2015-08-24 10:39:11< edoardo> ayy
2015-08-24 10:40:08< ph3-der-loewe> mau.,
2015-08-24 10:40:23< edoardo> lmao
2015-08-24 10:43:24< edoardo> ph3-der-loewe: is roaraudio still mantained?
2015-08-24 10:44:14< ph3-der-loewe> thre is some inactivity but sure.
2015-08-24 10:44:28< ph3-der-loewe> my last commit was two days ago ;)
2015-08-24 10:45:06< edoardo> nice
2015-08-24 10:45:38< edoardo> YIFF Sound System
2015-08-24 10:45:49< edoardo> i can't believe there's a sound server called like this
2015-08-24 10:46:08< ph3-der-loewe> ;)
2015-08-24 10:47:59< edoardo> http://i.imgur.com/zRvmKd9.png
2015-08-24 10:48:02< edoardo> THANKS GOOGLE
2015-08-24 10:48:35< ph3-der-loewe> haha.
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2015-08-24 11:07:55< ph3-der-loewe> edoardo: why did you ask?
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2015-08-24 11:14:01< edoardo> ph3-der-loewe: because it looks like just what i need for my radio automation project ;)
2015-08-24 11:15:07< ph3-der-loewe> oh?
2015-08-24 11:15:16< edoardo> oh what?
2015-08-24 11:16:08< ph3-der-loewe> more like 'oh, someone considers it useful' ;)
2015-08-24 11:16:22< edoardo> well, it looks useful :)
2015-08-24 11:16:29< edoardo> after i understand how to use it hehe
2015-08-24 11:19:08< ph3-der-loewe> edoardo: there was a bit of sarcasm in my stement.
2015-08-24 11:19:11< ph3-der-loewe> *statement
2015-08-24 11:19:27< ph3-der-loewe> (e.g. I would alos use teh same statment to descripe icecast ;)
2015-08-24 11:20:18< edoardo> u wat?
2015-08-24 11:34:10< edoardo> love the name
2015-08-24 11:34:30< ph3-der-loewe> hm?
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2015-08-24 11:34:43< edoardo> roaraudio
2015-08-24 11:35:00< edoardo> i'd have expected mauaudio tho :P
2015-08-24 11:35:43< ph3-der-loewe> haha.
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2015-08-24 15:13:29< solrize> are there known issues with connecting a browser to a live webm stream?  i get audio but no video about 90% of the time.  reloading the page enough times eventually gets the video.  this is both firefox and chrome.  mplayer works fine.  i think vlc also works fine.
2015-08-24 15:17:16< ph3-der-loewe> hm.
2015-08-24 15:17:43< ph3-der-loewe> simple answer: not to me. But I'm not exactly a webm guy ;)
2015-08-24 15:18:49<+tbr> solrize: sounds like you have a too high gop
2015-08-24 15:21:08< solrize> hmm that's an ffmpeg option?  trying to find
2015-08-24 15:21:49< solrize> what's a good value?
2015-08-24 15:22:25<+tbr> https://plus.google.com/+icecast/posts/iPsLfVaJ95C - I'd say it's the -g
2015-08-24 15:22:47<+tbr> - -g 5 - This one is rather important, as the default won't work for streaming. It sets the GOP ratio, so the keyframe interval. You can experiment with this. My quick testing shows that especially browsers seem to have problems with a stream that doesn't have a keyframe near the start. Values up to 10 seem to work reliable. Setting it too low drives the bitrate up and the quality down. YMMV.
2015-08-24 15:23:30< solrize> oh great thanks, i'll set it to 5... i wonder what the default is.  i was trying to find it in the ffmpeg doc
2015-08-24 15:25:13<+tbr> I suspect the default is some adaptive rate or a very high value
2015-08-24 15:27:32< solrize> hmm it didn't help but i was using -c copy on a webm file... i guess i have to redo the transcode
2015-08-24 15:29:02<+tbr> yes
2015-08-24 15:29:06< solrize> yeah!!!   i think that fixed it
2015-08-24 15:29:12< solrize> thanks!!!!!!!!!!
2015-08-24 15:31:28< ph3-der-loewe> :))
2015-08-24 15:32:02< solrize> there seem to be -keyint_min at least for h264
2015-08-24 15:41:25< edoardo> yay
2015-08-24 15:41:53< edoardo> the vp9 encoder is veery slow tho
2015-08-24 15:42:08< edoardo> and you have to use the vp8 one that's very unefficient
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2015-08-24 21:15:59< solrize> edoardo, thanks yeah the webm encoder seems to have used vp8 automatically
2015-08-24 21:16:16< edoardo> libvpx on ffmpeg?
2015-08-24 21:16:24< solrize> i guess so
2015-08-24 21:16:32< edoardo> that defaults to vp8 yeah
2015-08-24 21:17:24< solrize> we'll be running it on a laptop with input from a webcam so hopefully it can keep up
2015-08-24 21:20:59< edoardo> that'll do
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2015-08-24 22:30:18< solrize> is there a reasonable way to show the stream on port 80, without having to run the icecast server as root?
2015-08-24 22:30:30< theotheredbaron> just done my first radio broadcast using icecast2 between SAM and internet-radio.com - thank you guys for your work, it made things a lot easier :)
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2015-08-25 05:32:26<+tbr> solrize: look at the documentation and code, we do not allow the server to _run_ as root. you MUST configure a user to be dropped privileges to. root is only used to set up the environment, just like all other webservers running on port 80 will do.
2015-08-25 05:33:13< solrize> ok i didn't see that in the doc (that it could start as root and drop privs) but will look again.  thanks
2015-08-25 05:33:51<+tbr> try starting it as root without configuring changeuser it will tell you to GTFO
2015-08-25 05:35:19<+tbr> if you are on debian, you need to set /etc/default/icecast2 to root/root and then edit the config xml
2015-08-25 05:37:23< solrize> aha thanks
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2015-08-25 06:01:16< ScottSteiner_> Is it possible to relay an rtmp stream in icecast without having to transcode it using ffmpeg?
2015-08-25 06:03:14<+tbr> no
2015-08-25 06:03:51<+tbr> I mean you can try, but I doubt it will work
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2015-08-25 08:22:15< ph3-der-loewe> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7234#section-5.5
2015-08-25 08:22:32< ph3-der-loewe> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7231#section-8
2015-08-25 08:26:27< ph3-der-loewe> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7233#section-3
2015-08-25 08:27:42< ph3-der-loewe> (just for my own reference)
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2015-08-25 10:08:08 * ph3-der-loewe waves to Divayth and offers a cookie.
2015-08-25 10:08:27< Divayth> Im trying to not eat too many sweets but I appreciate the gesture
2015-08-25 10:08:53< ph3-der-loewe> hm, more cookies for the lion! :))
2015-08-25 10:09:52< ph3-der-loewe> I only avoid my browser to eat too many sweets. It's bloatware already.
2015-08-25 10:10:27< Divayth> my browser gets cleared of all bloat on restart
2015-08-25 10:10:39< Divayth> actually all cookies are removed after 1 minute of not using them
2015-08-25 10:10:56< Divayth> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/self-destructing-cookies/?src=api
2015-08-25 10:11:14< ph3-der-loewe> sure, sure. mine is told not to accept them at all.
2015-08-25 10:11:36< ph3-der-loewe> but I think this weasel got a bit of a problem with it's belly anyway.
2015-08-25 10:11:55< ph3-der-loewe> I think it kind of 'huggs' the ground when moving and thrus slowing down every kind of process ;)
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2015-08-25 10:23:14< ph3-der-loewe> ePirat, ToddShepard, *: http://www.fellig-con.org/ (just opened reg)
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2015-08-26 06:48:12< Lina> o/
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2015-08-26 14:05:45< lns> It's cold in here.
2015-08-26 14:06:56 * tbr opens the reactor exhaust until it's a nice and toasty 120 °C on the channel
2015-08-26 14:07:16< lns> tbr, no! You're going to melt the ice! =p
2015-08-26 14:07:37 * lns renames project to watercast
2015-08-26 14:07:47< ph3-der-loewe> the crackling sound of a huge block of ice heating up.
2015-08-26 14:07:58< lns> hehe
2015-08-26 14:13:20< lns> When I drive home from work there's a sign that looks like this, I always think of you guys ;)  http://www.stopsignsandmore.com/images/Product/medium/2585.jpg
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2015-08-26 15:26:33< bobgo_> eh
2015-08-26 15:26:56< ph3-der-loewe> mau?
2015-08-26 15:27:17< bobgo_> tbr?
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2015-08-26 15:36:34<+tbr> bobgo_: come again?
2015-08-26 15:37:19< bobgo_> I lost those links to the beta you gave me
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2015-08-26 15:37:35< bobgo_> https://wiki.xiph.org/Icecast_Server/Installing_latest_version_%28official_Xiph_repositories%29
2015-08-26 15:37:41< ph3-der-loewe> (I expected bobgo_ to answer with both nicks given at least twice ;)
2015-08-26 15:37:56< bobgo_> is all I have
2015-08-26 15:38:28<+tbr> http://mer.bfst.de/logs/%23icecast/
2015-08-26 15:39:15< bobgo_> OK that is great, however dont remember the date
2015-08-26 15:42:14<+tbr> so you want _me_ to open everyone of those links and check which date it was?
2015-08-26 15:42:24< bobgo_> I am doing that now
2015-08-26 15:43:17< bobgo_> so no I dont
2015-08-26 15:43:33< bobgo_> if I find it OK cool if not I am guess I am up a crap creak
2015-08-26 15:44:01< bobgo_> and that is my fault
2015-08-26 15:45:29< bobgo_> dam was it in May?
2015-08-26 15:45:36< bobgo_> sheesh cant be right
2015-08-26 15:45:42< ph3-der-loewe> &/win 40
2015-08-26 15:46:50<+tbr> 2015-08-06 and forward
2015-08-26 15:47:14<+tbr> ah, damn, looks like we lost the logs for that stretch :(
2015-08-26 15:47:17 * tbr digs
2015-08-26 15:47:46< bobgo_> yah July is missing
2015-08-26 15:47:49< bobgo_> odd